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03-21-2002, 04:09 PM
I was disappointed about Baylor's loss Sunday night. I was at the Tech game and was happy about our win. During the post-game show, I heard Drake had beaten Baylor and it made our victory bittersweet. Assistant Coach Weese mentioned that he hated to hear of it as well. I was disappointed because I truly believed all 7 teams could advance to the Sweet Sixteen. And because I wanted fans around the country to be privileged to watch Lambert and Crockrom and Collins play in the regional tournament and perhaps beyond. And because the team's potential was a source of excitement to the players and their fans. Nobody wants a ride that fun to end.

Big12Bear mentioned that the Bears did not play their usual game, that they seemed tentative. I can understand that perspective. I've seen the same thing many times with the Lady Raiders whether in subregionals, regionals, or key games during the regular season. It is frustrating to watch, especially on the team's own court. You want the home crowd to be an advantage, but occasionally it's not. There is nothing you can do but keep cheering and hope they loosen up. Sometimes, as the game approaches the finish, the players just wind tighter. I did not see any of the Baylor game, but I saw Iowa State play and that's what happened with them.

I found it painful to watch the end of the Iowa State game. It was a poignant reminder of how Tech's season ended in 1998. As dem said about the Cyclones' loss, it was the worst defeat I've experienced as a fan of the Raiders. Tech struggled through a difficult season in 1997. The players came back the next year with a renewed commitment to the program. They had a great season losing only to #1 seeds Stanford and Old Dominion during non-conference play, and sailed through conference games with only 1 loss to upstart Iowa State. I remember that game. I was amused as much as I was annoyed by the loss. Who were those spunky Cyclones? I knew coming into the game that they had gotten themselves ranked for the first time in forever, but who would dare to think that they would challenge the mighty Lady Raiders that season. By the end of a snowy winter's night in Ames, they had proven themselves to be no fluke. I remember thinking after the game, "this team's going to be a nuisance for the next couple of years." If only I had known. Dadgum, if the same thing didn't happen with Oklahoma two years later, and Baylor another two years after that. Upstarts all around. This conference has gotten tough, hasn't it?

Nevertheless, the Lady Raiders moved on, winning the remainder of their conference games through the Big12 tournament. They earned a #1 seed. The golden path was set. Tech was hosting a regional that year. They merely had to win a subregional on their home court to earn the right to play in front of a home crowd on their way to the Final Four. The fans, the coaches, the players were all excited and confident. Expectations were high. ESPN's website ran the title: "Home Sweet Home." On their promotional show they talked about how Leon Barmore would not be happy bringing his #2 seeded Louisiana Tech team to play in front of 8000 screaming fans. The subregional featured Texas Tech, Grambling State, SW Missouri State with freshman Jackie Stiles, and Notre Dame with freshman Ruth Riley. The Grambling State coach talked boldly about the inevitability that someday a #1 seed would fall in the first round. Why not at the hands of his team? Little did he know that one night after his team would play, Stanford, without two key players, would be beaten by Harvard and the country's leading scorer. Despite the coach's bold talk, Grambling State was no match for Texas Tech. This was the sort of team Tech would typically beat by 30 or 40 points depending on how well the reserves played. That's not how it happened. The starters were in the game until the end of a contest won by 12 points. The lead was in single digits late in the 2nd half. The outcome was never really in doubt, but the Raiders couldn't shake the Tigers. The Lady Raiders came out tentative and stayed that way. Virtually every pass and shot was preceded by a half second of hesitation. Surely, they had gotten the jitters out of the way with that mediocre performance. Next up was Notre Dame who had beaten SW Missouri St.

Three years later, Notre Dame would prove to be the best team in the country, but in '98 they were not playing at the same level as Tech. In '96 the Irish lost to Tech in a Lubbock subregional. In '97, Beth Morgan led the Irish on a charge to the Final Four. But Morgan was gone and Riley was just a freshman. Tech was the better team, but if you didn't know that before the game began, you wouldn't know it by the finish. Riley committed two quick fouls to start the game and sat the remainder of the half. Riley was out of the game, but Tech's half second of hesitation was in the game, and the result was basically a deadlock at halftime. Riley played the 2nd half and scored at will. Tech's interior players did their best imitation of the Tin Man from the Wizard of Oz. They were frozen in place and never denied the entry pass. It was difficult to watch. Late in the game, I saw outstanding players make one uncharacteristic mistake after another. A couple of times I could not bear to watch the outcome of a botched play. I thought, "This can't be happening. They have worked too hard to let it slip through their fingers like this." As the clock wound down, the deficit ballooned to 15 points. Although it was disheartening to see them lose that way, it was just a game, and I put it in perspective by the time the final buzzer sounded. A few minutes later, I was broken hearted. As the band played the alma mater, I watched the players stand through the song futiley fighting back tears. It was frustrating to watch the players lose an important game. It was crushing to watch them struggling to cope with a defeat of that magnitude. That memory is etched in my mind. I think I have become a more dedicated fan since then.

Being a fan in this sport transcends being a fan of the game itself. I believe the bond between the players and the fans in wcbb is stronger than it is in any other major team sport, even for fans who never know any of the players personally. We read the profiles of the players and we see their interviews. We come to understand that, generally, these are good kids. We want them to succeed. I am not a big fan of pro sports. I like college athletics because it afford us an opportunity to watch the players progress in maturity and skill. Perhaps most importantly, these women wear their emotions on their sleeves. It is natural to feel happy for them when they are smiling and laughing in victory. It is natural to feel sad for them when they are distraught in defeat.

I felt bad for the Tech coaches after the loss, knowing they would have to be gracious hosts to four other teams in a tournament in which they expected to participate. A few days after the game, I heard Marsha Sharp glumly mention in an interview that the subregional loss was the toughest she had ever endured. The coaches performed their duties admirably and I was proud of them for that. The regional tournament teams were an interesting lot. Purdue with a backcourt of Stephanie White-McCarty and Ukari Figgs, coached by Carolyn Peck, was one year away from a national championship. Alabama, thanks to a home-grown timekeeper's "unintentional" mistake had defeated UCLA in a subregional on their home court. The obtuse referees left the court without recognizing or evaluating the situation, and after a couple of hours of conference calls with NCAA officials the game was ruled official. The Crimson Tide arrived in Lubbock under a cloud of controversy. Notre Dame was back for a second consecutive week. And, of course, La Tech was there to rule the roost which they did. Even with this interesting assortment of teams, it was difficult to muster enthusiasm for the games. During one of the games, Linden Weese and his family took some unoccupied reserved seats near where I was sitting. He looked utterly downtrodden.

I offer my sympathies to the fans of the Bears and the Cyclones. Both teams were quite capable of advancing further and expected to do so. Both teams will say goodbye to some beloved seniors. I didn't see much of the postgame events in Ames before ESPN switched to the studio. I did see Angie Welle briefly on camera. She looked dazed as she comported herself to congratulate her opponents, demonstrating class to the very end. I did not see what transpired after that, but I have a strong sense of what the fans must have felt watching the team leave the floor disconsolate. I am very sorry Iowa State will not be playing in the Midwest regional this week.

After the 1998 season, I wondered if it was a good idea to host a regional and subregional in the same year. It places a heavy psychological burden on the kids. They know they are expected, by the fans, to advance to the regional. They know about the publicity that has been associated with it. They know how many tickets have been sold in advance. I have never in my life had the degree of poise and composure that these kids exhibit throughout each season. And yet, it only takes a slight loss of composure to make a noticeable difference in performance. That's what I saw with my team a few years ago, and it is what I saw Monday night. I didn't want to mention this concern on the message board earlier this season, because I hoped the outcome would not repeat itself. I think Iowa State might have been better off being sent to another subregional where they could have focused on earning their way back home. Presumably, after this year, that's the way it will be for teams hosting a regional. Even hosting a subregional can be tough some years, particularly if it is the first one for a group of players. I am glad the Big12 came through as well as it did.

Because of the bond that the players develop for the fans, I sometimes get the sense that they do not want to disappoint us, as if they "owe" us specific victories or accomplishments. I wish they did not feel that way. I don't want them to have to overcome that particular type of pressure. We get a vicarious emotional experience from their wins and losses. I appreciate that aspect of being a fan, but they are not on the court to provide me with emotional support. Just the opposite. I'm there to cheer them on, to encourage and reward them for their commitment. At Tech, I'm glad the players have a sense of tradition. I do want them to feel that kind of pressure, because it pushes them to work hard and dedicate themselves to the program's success. They do owe me a great effort before and during games. If they play loose but hard, the games will be entertaining enough, and they will successfully achieve most realistic objectives. That's all I ask. This is college athletics, so one can hope that the victories and defeats will be educationally beneficial. I think they are. The players seem to be resilient and recover quickly. When they accept a scholarship, they cannot possibly anticipate how enriching the experience will be.

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elfdenmom
03-21-2002, 05:37 PM
Great posting, two cents. The ISU loss brought back those awful memories to me, too. My heart went out to the ISU seniors who loked like they had been hit by a train.

I hope that the ISU fans will go to the regional in numbers. I went, and although it hurt like hell that my Lady Raiders weren't playing I saw some awfully good women's basketball and some great players.

Big12Bear
03-21-2002, 06:26 PM
That was tied for the second most crushing BU loss I have ever witnessed in any sport.

I appreciate you taking the time to make a post like that, two cents. You are dead-on about the players being under an extreme pressure of trying to appease and perform for the crowd. When you have a jam-packed house for playing a game with everything on the line, you want to give them a reason to cheer, but even moreso, you don't want to disappoint them and let them down.

I think the effort was there, and we certainly didn't take Drake lightly. It was the fact that Drake played the perfect game and on THAT particular night, they were better. I was completely shocked because the only time we had lost at home all year was when OU made a great comeback to win in the last few minutes. You come to the game fully expecting a win, and have visions of final fours dancing in your head. When you have expectations like that and they're not met, and know they're not ever going to be met on a collegiate floor by those Seniors again. My heart goes out to BU and ISU Seniors alike, and I appreciate you sharing some not-so-pleasant past memories on the subject as well. As for me, I think I'll try to repress these http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif

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Bob_Ballew
03-21-2002, 08:21 PM
Two Cents, Thanks for the post. It really hits home. I have been in the most depressed state of mind all week. Still kinda in disbelif because I wanted to see Baylor in the Final Four so bad. This was certainly their best chance. Kim will build a strong team and we will be competitive again.

Early in the season, so many folks, even here on HoopScoop, stated that Baylor was over rated and that they played a cup cake schedule and did not deserve the ranking in the polls. I would only say that I knew better. The media and coaches knew what kind of talent Baylor had and knew they were capable of being a top ten team in the country. I certainly still think they are, even though they aren't in the Sweet 16.

Again, thanks for the post. I can sympathize with the ISU fans.

GO BIG XII.

ISUbballfan
03-21-2002, 08:25 PM
two cents thank you for your post. It is exactly what I have been feeling. At the begining of the year a lot of people had Iowa State in the final four and the season hadn't even begun yet. They would say we only lost Megan Taylor and over looked Erica Haugen. After Junrod got hurt then you realized how important she was. I don't think anyone on the team could replace Megan will to win. She would seem to make the impossible happen. Just ask Texas fan's about Megan's Miracle shot in Ames to win the game.

I kept thinking of the year that Texas Tech and Tennesse both lost when they had the regionals at there home. Nothing is assured. It is going to be hard to walk into Hilton but I think once the game starts and you realize wow I'm watching the Midwest Regional at our house it will be okay.

KSUron
03-21-2002, 09:12 PM
Beautiful writing two cents. We sure do bond with our teams. Thank you!

Bball Girl
03-21-2002, 09:24 PM
Wonderful post and something I've been thinking about all week. I wasn't at Tech in '98. I was up in Omaha clutching Final 4 tickets to KC with Tech as a #1 seed with 4 rounds in Lubbock..just knowing we were going to get to see Tech in KC. Wasn't to be.

But the loss to Rutgers the next year really hurt. They killed us and I felt sick. Keitha & company committed to beefing up their defense and did they ever. The loss to Tennessee the next year ticked me off because I felt like Catchings got away with murder because they weren't about to let an AA foul out.

When our teams don't play the way we know they can play and they lose...it makes us all sick. We at Tech felt sick after losing to CU at home...that's the one that got away...we should have won that game (and this is nothing against CU at all). But frankly the loss to OU to start the Big 12 season at home was not as hard to handle as the CU loss.

I felt sick knowing Baylor was out. The duo of Crockrom and Lambert was over....I hate to see that end and I wanted to see them in SA.

Then watching ISU loose in the last few minutes of that game and knowing that you'll have to deal with hosting the regional was also sickening and depressing.

The Lady Raiders have taken a lot of hits this year from their play. The expectations were very HIGH in Lubbock. I know they have gotten some nasty and hateful mail. Marsha looked totally exhaused and beyond frustrated after the Big 12 tournament. Some of them like Tanisha have expressed that they know everyone is doubting them, but they still believe in themselves. They feel like they have let us down.

These are kids who work their butts off and do their best (in most cases). They bear a sense of responsibility to the fans and the school especially those schools who have this proud history of success. ISU is now one of those schools and Baylor next year more will be expected of you.

But sometimes, we as fans invest too much emotion in this. I do, I was screaming my head off with joy on Sunday night and practically in tears because I was so proud of the way they played.

Bottom line...this is a game and these are kids. Their lives and ours will go on. They gave us a lot this year and we hopefully gave back something positive to them. I know the ISU and Baylor teams are ever so grateful for the love and devotion and support that they have received this year from their fans.

We all wish you were in the Sweet 16 with us...and it will happen for Baylor very soon and I have no doubt that ISU will be back as strong as ever. It's always the "rebuilding" years that are the best anyway...

Bevo
03-21-2002, 11:50 PM
Wonderful thread. Thanks for starting this conversation, two cents. Outside of Texas' games, I was looking forward to seeing ISU/Tenn. more than any other. I mean, ISU was playing a BYU team that Texas beat handily in the first game of this season. There was no way that ISU would lose that and then would give Tennessee its comeuppance in the regional. I was very disappointed that the Cyclones lost. Not as disappointed about Baylor, but that is because as a Longhorn, I know that the Bears have our number right now and could possibly have stood in our way to the Final Four.

swok34
03-21-2002, 11:56 PM
twocents, what a wonderful post, brought tears to my eyes.

You made me stop and realize how much I really appreciate the sport of women's basketball. What a wonderful, wonderful statement that follows:

Because of the bond that the players develop for the fans, I sometimes get the sense that they do not want to disappoint us, as if they "owe" us specific victories or accomplishments. I wish they did not feel that way. I don't want them to have to overcome that particular type of pressure. We get a vicarious emotional experience from their wins and losses. I appreciate that aspect of being a fan, but they are not on the court to provide me with emotional support


And how very wonderful it is to have experienced the seasons I have with the group of seniors leaving OU today. You are absolutely right, they don't owe me anything.....should any of the Big XII teams fail to get a team to the Final Four this year, does it make our conference any weaker?....our individual teams any less thought of? Not in my eyes; I've decided I could care less that no one else believes in the strength of the Big XII. I, as a fan of OU and the Big XII, get the opportunity to see some of the best battles in women's basketball.

I was on my way home today from a "cancelled" softball game and saw the buses loading up and recalled what you had written.
If OU comes home Sunday, OU comes home Sunday......

My wish for them is that they play with their hearts the sport they love, win or lose......

and a very special heartfelt gratitude to Shelia Lambert, Danielle Crockrum, Nicole Collins, Brooke McCormack, Angie Welle, Tracy Gahan, Kelly Cizek, Ashley Homeyer......

Jennifer
03-22-2002, 12:05 AM
I actually posted this on the ESPN boards the other day in a lull at work. I guess it was to deep (or dumb) cause it didn't generate any discussion, but I thought what I was trying to say might fit in here.

One thing some guys on ESPN Radio brought up on the long drive home Monday night (talking about the men, of course) is that take a team like Cincy (men). They are out. Do you call their season a failure (apparantly, fans are upset at the coach)? Sure, they didn't make the Sweet 16, but they had a lot of wins and surpassed early season expectations. So how do you define their season. (note: I really know nothing about Cincy ball, other than the 0% or near graduation rate, I'm just using them as an example).

Now if you are a Uconn, sure the season is a failure if you don't win it all. But really, since only 4 teams make the final four and there's only one champion, is that the only team with a 'successful' season?

Take K-State. They won 2 games in the Big 12 last year, and were picked around 6 or 7 in the conference. They made some noise, racked up some wins, and had a record breaking season. So if they lose their next game (I hope not), can you say they failed or discredit their season in any way, since they would be losing to a lower seed?

Now carry this over to conferences. That the Big 12 got 5 teams to the Sweet 16 is an awesome accomplishment. If they were to all lose in the next round (they won't, actually they can't!), would that diminish their season? Well, in the eyes of many, probably so.
Now should it? Would Texas losing to Duke take away the fact that they went to a very tough arena where few road teams win, and won? What about Kansas State, a bunch of young kids, going to Ames and not being wowed over by a hostile crowd and putting to shame an experienced team? Or Baylor overcoming a 20-something streak and finally beating tradition rich Texas Tech?

I think my point in all this was how much does post season play overshadow anything that was done in the 'first' season? If losing totally discredits anyone, then why do we play the games in the first place?

ISUbballfan
03-22-2002, 12:40 AM
Originally posted by swok34:

and a very special heartfelt gratitude to Shelia Lambert, Danielle Crockrum, Nicole Collins, Brooke McCormack, Angie Welle, Tracy Gahan, Kelly Cizek, Ashley Homeyer......



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I would like to second this thought.

On senior night in Tracy's speech she shared a favorite quote of her's from Coach Fennelly, "Don't cry because it's over smile because it happened."

So let's not be sorry that their college careers are over but be glad that we were lucky enough to watch them play!

KSUron
03-22-2002, 12:40 AM
Your points are well taken Jennifer, and that's why I have never really liked our obsession with getting in the final four too much. I wish our coaches and our fans did not put as much on it. Sure I want us to try hard but IMHO BU & ISU are still teams made up of great players and coached by great coaches. One game doesn't change that.

Even on teams that don't have success there are fine players who are great individuals. All I ask is that they give their best. That's all you can do. You can't control the outcome. You can control your inputs. As swok says "respect all & fear none". To that I would add, and don't fear the outcomes either. Just prepare for and play the games the way they should be played and accept whatever result you get.

Btw along this line, think of the character of the players at KU who were outgunned but played us HARD all the way even though they got no reward for their trouble.

In my mind that goes double for the players at OSU who have had to put up with all sorts of crap, plus the pain of knowing they were the players who lost their coach. I'm not saying its their fault in any way. I'm just saying that they more than likely feel that they somehow let their coach and program down. On the contrary I think they showed incredible toughness and personal quality. We are privilaged to be fans of these neat young people.

schooner2
03-22-2002, 12:52 AM
Originally posted by KSUron:
Btw along this line, think of the character of the players at KU who were outgunned but played us HARD all the way even though they got no reward for their trouble.


Sorry to change the subject here - but, you know, I have more respect for what Kansas did this year than the last several years. I know that sounds really wierd considering that they lost all 16 regular season games. But I agree, they played with more heart down the stretch of this season than I've ever seen.

And I really think it's because they did not have any prima donnas this season. That seems to show how important recruiting the right type of player with the right attitude and right personality is. And, then how important it is to control that players' attitude over her career.

Two things come to mind - one is what Jody Conradt contributed the lack of success in the 1990s to - that being they type of players she recruited. She admitted in a post-game session once that she recruited more on talent (and she had a lot of talent coming her way after the very successful 80s) instead of recruiting the whole individual.

The second thing that comes to mind is the incredible job Kelvin Sampson has done for the Oklahoma men this season. I have not been a big supporter of Kelvin's prior to this season. But this season has totally changed my mind. He has brought in many new faces this year and meshed them wonderfully (great team chemistry) to the point that we absolutely throttled Arizona tonight and are in the Elite 8. And he has totally changed the attitude of our big man inside - Aaron McGee. McGee was a bit of a prima donna when he arrived at OU. He literally had to learn what team ball was all about and how to hug his teammates and pick them up off the court when their teammate had hit the deck after a hard play. He had to learn how to slap a teammate on the behind after a great play. He had to learn what it is all about - and Sampson did that. He taught Aaron how to really play the game of basketball right.

Now, I'm a huge Sampson supporter - and always will be.

Now, back to Kansas. Supposedly they have recruited very well this past year. So maybe the talent will greatly increase. But will the heart remain?

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dem
03-22-2002, 01:02 AM
Originally posted by two cents:
It is frustrating to watch, especially on the team's own court. You want the home crowd to be an advantage, but occasionally it's not. There is nothing you can do but keep cheering and hope they loosen up. Sometimes, as the game approaches the finish, the players just wind tighter.

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Late in the game, I saw outstanding players make one uncharacteristic mistake after another. A couple of times I could not bear to watch the outcome of a botched play. I thought, "This can't be happening. They have worked too hard to let it slip through their fingers like this." As the clock wound down, the deficit ballooned . . . A few minutes later, I was broken hearted. As the band played the alma mater, I watched the players stand through the song futiley fighting back tears. It was frustrating to watch the players lose an important game. It was crushing to watch them struggling to cope with a defeat of that magnitude. That memory is etched in my mind.

. . .

Because of the bond that the players develop for the fans, I sometimes get the sense that they do not want to disappoint us, as if they "owe" us specific victories or accomplishments. I wish they did not feel that way. I don't want them to have to overcome that particular type of pressure. We get a vicarious emotional experience from their wins and losses. I appreciate that aspect of being a fan, but they are not on the court to provide me with emotional support. Just the opposite. I'm there to cheer them on, to encourage and reward them for their commitment.

Truly outstanding post two cents, from beginning to end. Thanks for expressing so well what many of us in Waco and Ames are feeling, but don't have the heart right now to try to put into words.

Beerman
03-22-2002, 03:59 AM
Great post Two Cents. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif

As a Tech fan, I remember all to well that which you have so elequently put into words here. I too feel for ISU and BU.

On a happier note, I also remember going to the regional games and having a great time wearing UCLA gear and razzing the Bama mascot. My buds and I, some of whom were local media, were sitting right down on the floor in the seats behind the goal. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

Bball Girl
03-22-2002, 08:03 AM
Losing now is such a shock..it's over. The Duke men found that out last night and the despair on their faces brought tears to my eyes. Yet on the other hand..the incredulous joy on the faces of the IU players made me smile.

In an interview last week, Coach Knight said that growing up...his mother always reminded him as he was leaving the house...someone has to lose.

Cycurl714
03-22-2002, 10:16 AM
On ISU:
This weekend will acutually be my first CWBB game at Hilton. To bad my clones won't be there.

On OU/TTU: I like the matchup. Even if CU doesn't win, I believe either of the teams will beat Stanford

On KU: I was staining some woodwork this week and as I was laying down some newspaper and I came across a sport section from 2000 and there was the article about the Cyclones demolishing Missouri to join a four-way tie for first in the conference with Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Kansas. They played hard all season, but it's hard to believe to they slipped so far so fast.

carolann
03-22-2002, 10:59 AM
… that's why I have never really liked our obsession with getting in the final four too much. I wish our coaches and our fans did not put as much on it.

The coaches really have no choice because of the fans. Before the NCAA tournament started, Conradt said that she refused to judge the entire season by what happened in the tournament but her words rung hollow because the fans can and will judge the team by the postseason. I do not even want to imagine the chorus of abuse that would have broken out if Texas had lost at home in the first two rounds of the tournament this year. I really appreciate the way, all year, Conradt has given all credit for wins to her players and their hard work. At the same time, Conradt tried to to take from her players responsibility for the entire history of the program. Nothing Conradt said mattered. I have no doubt that the Texas players have felt the weight of the program very heavy on their shoulders this year. Will the fans appreciate what the team has done? I am not sure. If Texas beats Duke, surely people will be forced to cough up some respect.

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Big12Bear
03-22-2002, 02:30 PM
UT has beaten so many revered non conference foes this year, and that win in Knoxville is something they will not soon forget. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif That might be a turning point in the series, who knows.

ChipperF1
03-22-2002, 04:13 PM
"I have never really liked our obsession with getting in the final four too much. I wish our coaches and our fans did not put as much on it."

True, but so much is based on it. Lets face it, the Big 12 will take another credibility hit if it doesn't bear the fruit this weekend, bottom line. It's lousy, but a fact of life. There's a whole segment of womens basketball press and fans who still believe that the Big 12 isn't the real McCoy. The only way that can end is with a team in the Final Four.

As for losing itself. When you lose in in the playoffs. It hurts. I've covered enough high school and college ball and played enough ball to know, you never wanna lose that last game. But at the same time, that is the joy of seeing such a game. Seeing the expressions on the winners faces and the losers. This is why I like college and high school sports so much. It is real. When those kids cheer they cheer hard, when they cry they cry hard, and begrudge them none of it.

"I think my point in all this was how much does post season play overshadow anything that was done in the 'first' season? If losing totally discredits anyone, then why do we play the games in the first place?"

There's a point here, too, but it'll still hurt for those kid no matter what. They aren't going to see it right after the game, but a little time down the line, they'll look back and smile at a fine season. All the Big 12 teams save one or two can look back at this season and say "we didn't do too bad".
I don't believe it discredits anyone should they lose tomorrow. Sixteen teams get here, 305 others wish upon a star they could.
However, the prize does matter. That why we play the games and have a season. At the end of the process there can be only one. Coaches know it. Players know it. Deep down they want to be that one. To answer Jennifer's questions in a way, yes only one team will consider their season a total success.That one team is the one left standing at the end. If UConn, for example, is that one team, they'll consider it a failure, because so much was expected. I would imagine Oklahoma would think that, too. I could see Vandy and Tennessee feeling that way. Maybe less so for the Kansas States, South Carolinas, Texases, etc.
We can talk about the bigger picture but regardless of how true it is, those kid hit that floor this week and next week only see one place, first place. Put yourself in the same shoes, you'd feel the same way. I guarantee it.

In a small way, this small this thread struck a chord with me because unlike many of you, this entire season has been frustration upon frustration. I would trade places with a Baylor fan or Iowa State fan in a New York minute. They may feel low now, but to feel bad in March meant you had a lot of good things happen from November to now to get this far. I envy each of the fans who've had the priviledge of seeing a team earn a chance to play for the biggest prize, whether they win or not.

There is the other side to this deal. Seeing people you know do well. Sorry Bear fans, but I was deep in Drake Blue last week. Partly because I was cheering for two kids I've seen play since Junior High. Both play for Drake now, and both of them came up big against Baylor. No matter what they do against South Carolina, I'm proud of them because they've done more, gone farther than anybody expected. I'd love to see them go the rest of the way.

A note to Texas fans GET OFF OF CONRADT'S BACK!!!
Jody did a job this year regardless of what happens (Chipper projection: Longhorn guards insufficient. Duke victorious 75-70). I often felt much of the criticism Jody's received in the last few seasons has been UNWARRANTED.

hornsofthedilemma
03-22-2002, 09:00 PM
Hey, Chipper, what did I miss? I only see two longhorn postings on this thread and neither one is critical of Jody. What's up? We revere her. I'm grateful she's able to let up on trying to be super Superwoman and let go of the AD and focus on the team, but is that critical to her?

I've been reading this board for this season only, but I have noticed lots more posts from non-horns about her that are critical.

Hook 'em, Jody

Texan
03-22-2002, 11:01 PM
Chipper - I think the Jody bashers have packed it up for the time being. One of the reasons I started posting on this board was in response to the digs at Jody at the beginning of the season. I haven't noticed any in a while, and appriciate the silence. Have they turned up on a thread I didn't read?