Conference rpi as of 2/19

[CyRox98]

Was just noticing how the Big 12's rpi is now 4th overall, with only four teams in the top 50 (OU, A&M, BU and UT). There are several teams lurking just outside the top 50, but I'm beginning to think that we might only be getting four teams in (possibly five, depending on how things shake out in Dallas). The "bubble" teams keep losing to teams they shouldn't be losing to (KSU, ISU, TTU), which is NOT helping anyone come NCAA time.

Are we really THAT down this year? Do we have a legit chance to get more than four teams in?

http://www.collegerpi.com/cgi-bin/wconf.cgi?06:C004

[CyRox98]

Sorry, guess I should have added Mizzou to the group of "in" teams, since they are in second place with an rpi of 53. Oops, sorry Tigers!

[Bball Girl]

I understand your concerns and I agree that getting a 5th or 6th team in is hanging by some threads.

However, this has been a topic of quite heated discussion in various places and we can't seem to agree to disagree...so I'm not sure we're up for another discussion about this, but that's just my take.

see

http://hoopscoop.net/forums/showthread.php?t=6760
http://hoopscoop.net/forums/showthread.php?t=6720&page=3&pp=15

[Dale8R]

My opinion is that since none of us have anything to say in the matter, we might as well wait and see what those who DO have a say do with it. Fussing about it proves nothing and no one gains anything from it that I can see.

Again, my opinion. Dale ~~ who rarely contributes any controversial thoughts and if he has them, he keeps them to himself.

PS, I am assuming that none of us have a say, but if there is someone here ~~ could you make it SIX? ;)

[swok34]

PS, I am assuming that none of us have a say, but if there is someone here ~~ could you make it SIX?

ok, done :D :D

by the way, Sherri was asked about "seed" in the post game conference last night, and the reporter prefaced his question with "feel free to NO COMMENT".

The only comment Sherri really gave was..

"we've played at 2 am, we've played in the outer reaches of Idaho, we've played the best #6 seed ever awarded.....

so, we'll play whoever, whenever, wherever.

NO COMMENT" :D

[Bball Girl]

As you said...what matters is what you do with it.

Committee.....if you're reading this?
Please don't put all the Big 12 teams in the same region so we end up having to knock off each other. While it was pretty cool in some ways to have 75% of the Idaho regional be Big 12 teams, I'd like to have the chance to send 2 (or more) teams to the Final 4.

[BeBe]

.... While it was pretty cool in some ways to have 75% of the Idaho regional be Big 12 teams, I'd like to have the chance to send 2 (or more) teams to the Final 4.
At the time, I really liked the arrangement in Boise. Once CU knocked off Stanford, it guaranteed the Big 12 would have a final 4 team. And since the concerence had not yet had one, I thought that was nice of the committee.

[YCN]

As you said...what matters is what you do with it.

Committee.....if you're reading this?
Please don't put all the Big 12 teams in the same region so we end up having to knock off each other. While it was pretty cool in some ways to have 75% of the Idaho regional be Big 12 teams, I'd like to have the chance to send 2 (or more) teams to the Final 4.
According to the latest principles and procedures used by the selection committee, no conference will have two teams in the same regional unless there are more than three teams from that conference in the tournament.

Also, no conference will have three teams in the same regional unless the conference has more than eight teams in the tournament, and if a conference has fewer than nine teams in the tournament, two teams from the same conference are not to meet before the regional finals.

8. Each of the first three teams selected from a conference shall be placed in different regions, unless precluded by host institution parameters.
9. No more than one team from a conference may be seeded in the same grouping of four (in line Nos. 1-4 and 13-16) in a region. (Note: The only possible exception would occur if a conference has five or more teams seeded in line Nos. 1-4. The other principles herein would apply in the exception case.)
10. In lines No. 5-12, two teams from the same conference may be placed in the same group of four providing that they would not meet until the regional final game.
11. Conference teams shall not meet each other prior to the regional final unless a ninth team is selected from a conference. Two teams from the same conference within the same region, therefore, shall not be seeded together in either of the following groups: Nos. 1, 16, 8, 9, 4, 13, 5, 12 or 2, 15, 7, 10, 3, 14, 6, 11).
12. There shall not be more than two teams from a conference in one region unless a ninth team is selected from a conference, unless precluded by host institution parameters.- from Principles and Procedures for Establishing the Bracket (http://www.ncaasports.com/basketball/womens/story/9183597)

And regarding the relative conference RPI rankings of the Big 12 and Big East, since in the Big 12 the competition format has each of the other five teams in their division twice, and each of the other teams once; and the Big East plays one team twice and the other 14 teams once; then I don't see how you can determine which conference is actually ranked higher when we are talking about an RPI difference of 0.1%, or one part in one thousand.

The six power conferences have five different competition formats, which means RPI will never be accurate in comparing conference to conference, although it may be correct, or not.

[YCN]

I should also note that it's important to note that the steps I listed from the principles start at number 8, which means there are seven higher priority placement principles at work here. So it's possible that any or all of the principles listed could be broken, but I'd sure expect the committee to give me strong reasons why, when they are free to move a team up or down on position from natural seeding in order to satisfy other placement requirements.

That gives the committtee a lot of room to accomodate other fairness principles. One thing that I don't think they will do is move a team from a #1 seed to #2, or vice versa.

[CyRox98]

I understand your concerns and I agree that getting a 5th or 6th team in is hanging by some threads.

However, this has been a topic of quite heated discussion in various places and we can't seem to agree to disagree...so I'm not sure we're up for another discussion about this, but that's just my take.

see

http://hoopscoop.net/forums/showthread.php?t=6760
http://hoopscoop.net/forums/showthread.php?t=6720&page=3&pp=15

Thanks for pointing these out. I don't usually read more than a few threads at at time here, so I sometimes miss topics that generate a lot of discussion. But I doubt that we'll have to worry about too many teams making it in at this point. ;)