Stanford loses

[schooner2]

Stanford lost last night to Arizona State 70-63 in the championship game of the Pac-10. This ends Stanford's 22-game win streak. Given Stanford's poor OOC scheduling, the unfortunate poor performance of the Pac 10, this loss, and the loss of Yamasaki (who knows how long) - this should probably drop Stanford to a #2 IF, IF Tennessee is a given a #1. Cuz, UCONN and Duke and probably OU (as long as we don't lose to A&M or OSU on Wednesday) have #1s wrapped up. And Tennessee did beat Stanford at Stanford this year. So either Duke or Tennessee will probably be shipped west.

I see:

East: UCONN - Baylor?
Mideast: OU -
Midwest: Tennessee - #2 ? Purdue?
This way they don't make Tennesee fans drive too far since UT fans do travel
West: Duke - #2 Stanford
Duke fans......you mean there are some Duke fans? So who cares if they are shipped West.


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[Bark]

Schooner,

Where do you see Vandy in this mix? And if Baylor wins the Big XII, do you see them sneaking in for a #1 seed?

[swok34]

ah, I bet that puts Vanderbilt as the #2 seed with Oklahoma.
Aren't they projected to be a #2 seed?

I don't see Baylor sneaking in for a #1 seed, but do think if they win a couple, they will be a #2, they actually may be a 2 at this point.

Stanford's loss also gives 2 bids to the Pac-10, not sure that anyone was going except Stanford....I may be mistaken, though.

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[schooner2]

Oh, goodness. I hate to play these games. And I've had such little time to actually diagnose things. As you can see from my above post, I have no clue who the #2 seeds could be.

Then add on top of that trying to figure out what the selection committee is thinking. I agree with people though that feel the selection committee considers what teams have done in the regular season to be more important than conference tourneys. The only way that what happens in the conference tourneys is more important than the regular season is if the team who wins the tourney has been on a roll since the end of the regular season. That's how Vandy shot way up there in seeding last year.

Okay, all that said.....I definitely see Duke and UCONN getting #1 seeds.

Purdue made it to the semifinals of the Big 10 Tourney losing to eventual champion and everybody's favorite underdog right now - Indiana. Vandy won their conference. I almost see these two teams as virtually tied.

Stanford is a definite two now.

Lets give this scenario. Say, OU and BU make it to the conference final and BU loses. I then think its OU, Duke, UCONN, and ...........still think Tennessee should be number 1. Although, I guess I can see them giving it to Vandy. But, UT did have a better regular season run through the SEC and should be given #1.

Now, lets say BU beats OU in finals of Big 12 Tourney. Ummm, UCONN, Duke, and two of UT, Vandy, OU, and BU. I think OU should still get a #1 in this scenario because of what they did in regular season and for making it to the finals. Then its between UT, Vandy, and BU. I still see UT getting the #1. BU could probably move to strongest #2. BU would have finished the season stronger than Vandy, and really stronger that UT. So, who knows. I would still be a little surprised if BU got a #1 over UT.

Okay, bottom-line: I don't know. But there's my rambling thougths.

[Zo31]

I really like the bracket that CollegeRPI has projected with Baylor in the West with Stanford. A number 2 seed would be great and I don't see Baylor as a number 1 seed unless others falter and we win the Big XII Tourney.

I was impressed with Duke early on in the season and then they slipped a bit. Monique Currie is a great freshman. She was teriffic last night in the ACC finals. Duke will be tough in the tournament.

[Big12Bear]

Tenn is still #1 in RPI, and based on that, I still think they get a #1 seed, despite the loss in the semis.

I really fear schooner's prediction, but also think it is correct at this point. BU would likely get in as the weakest #2 seed. This might put us in UCONN's bracket and it might put us in Tenn's. There are people that say if you're going to play UCONN, play them early. That's hogwash. I'd rather play them in the final four in my own backyard with some semblance of a home court advantage.

Personally, I wouldn't mind being a strong 3 seed. We'll know a lot more in a few days.

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[swok34]

I like the new bracket, but Duke now gets Stanford's #1 seed, I suppose..will come down to what OU does in the conference tourney......so it makes sense that Baylor would jump up to #2 in the East with Connecticut; which is where Duke is now.

question is though: does the committee send Duke west for 2 years in a row? Do they send OU west for 2 years in a row?

[YCN]

UConn is solid, and I believe that Duke is solid. OU should be solid, but it gives them a comfort zone if they make it to the Big 12 championship game. Anything short of that and their seed can come under scrutiny, because Tennessee, Vanderbilt and SO close to a #1 seed - each of them - that it is going to be very difficult to chose who gets that fourth #1 seed.

If the Sooners don't take care of business and get tossed into a 4-team potluck shootout, then I worry about their chances.

[Bark]

I kinda agree with a little bit from each of you. UConn, Duke, and Oklahoma (providing OU gets to the conference finals) should be solid. The fourth #1 seed should come from Baylor, Tenn, and Vandy.

I think if Baylor wins out they deserve it. Otherwise it's a toss between TN and VU. If Baylor at least gets to, but loses the conference final, they should be at least the 6th overall seed and not be in UConn's bracket. Stanford's loss should penalize them into the 7th or 8th overall spot given their ridiculously weak schedule.

Hope Stanford drops to 8th, behind La Tech or Purdue, and falls into UConn's bracket.

[Jennifer]

How much will Baylor's OOC schedule hurt them in consideration for a #1 seed if they win the Big 12? The fact that they finished 2nd in the Big 12 should more than make up for the weak OOC schedule, and if they were to win the tourney that would only add to their argument. And their SOS is at least better than Stanford's. With an RPI of 10 right now, that should only move up if they make the finals.

I really think Baylor would match up favorably with either Duke, Stanford, or Vandy.