Kim "Got no class" Mulkey

[grojc]

As a Longhorn fan, I have had the unfortunate pleasure of watching what I call the best one-two punch in women's basketball - Sheila Lambert and Daniele Crockrum. I have immense respect for the Baylor team.

But I just watched the most disgusting behavior of a coach that I've ever seen. Mulkey Robertson's victory dance, IN FRONT OF THE OKLAHOMA STATE BENCH, at the end of the OSU Baylor game was gross an inappropriate. No conference or national title was at stake - only a first round bye in a tournament. It was senior night at OSU and their coaches last home game. Can you imagine the class acts like Jody Conradt or Marsha Sharpe acted like an underclasswoman, and an immature one at that? Your playing days are over MR. Baylor fans, I hope you urge your coach to not disgrace the conference that way again. She should make a public apology to Dick H. and his group.



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[Big12Bear]

Are you freaking kiddin' me? When you win on a buzzer beater like that to all but clinch SECOND PLACE and a bye in KC, and assure yourself of hosting NCAA's....YES YOU CAN DO ALL THE JIMMY V DANCES YOU WANT. We had just as much on the line for this game as OSU did. Yu play the game to win, and wins like that make it all worthwhile for the coaches. Get over it.

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[Bball Girl]

Give us a break...in no way was she running deliberately in front of the OSU bench...she just ran and piled on. I thought it was a kick to see a coach get as excited as her kids! Dang..in only her 2nd season in the Big 12 after being jerked around at La Tech, she's taken her team to a bye in the Big 12 tourney. She has every right to run laps if she wants to.

OSU played a terrific game as did Baylor...let's take nothing away from yet another tough day in the Big12. OSU beating Tech and ISU was no fluke and Baylor beating UT both times was no fluke either.

Do y'all think if UConn had to play ranked teams every week like we do in the toughest league in the country...would they still be unbeaten?

[swok34]

I loved KMR's reaction. And I think she was at mid-court and not in front of the bench.

[Bob_Ballew]

Grojc, as a Baylor fan, I hope she gets to celebrate like that for years to come! http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif Kim Mulkey-Robertson is nothing but class.

Grojc, I had to read your post again and I am really disappointed in everything you stated about Coach Kim. Unbelievable! http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/mad.gif Your just upset because the Baylor win may affect the seeding for Texas. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif

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[two cents]

KMR is an emotional coach. I think that reaction was just a natural part of her personality. She'll probably get her share of T's over the next few years as well. Every coach is different. No team or fans like to see an opponent celebrating on their home court, but that happens sometimes after exciting or emotional or critical victories. I very much doubt that Halterman was offended by her spontaneity. If during the press conference, KMR were to apologize and admit her emotions got the best of her, that would be a nice touch of class. However, after a game like that, there are so many things to discuss in a press conference, forgetting to mention it shouldn't be a mark against her.

[Press]

I loved the emotion from her and if you've paid attention to her at all, you know she's emotional! I'm sure over the next 10 years, after many more big wins, she will chill a little, but give her a break on this one. She's put Baylor on the map, so let them enjoy a buzzer beater win.

[grojc]

zo, I could care less about Texas seeding. If I were that upset, I'd be going after CU right? But Ceal Berry wouldn't pull some stunt like that. I wouldn't want my coach to act this way. It makes your team marked, gives a negative impression of your program, perhaps makes officials more likely to pick on you. I thought the players' reaction was fun watch and something they deserved to do. I thought the coach was very unprofessional. And she is the only one getting paid. She's young and very emotional, but that is not excuse. She should have been more aware where she was. It was very disrespectful to the women at OSU.

[Big12Bear]

Please, PLEASE forgive her for a spur-of-the-moment reaction. Anyone who is human and loves the game and winning as much as she does would have done the same thing.

Geez, I only hope the refs (????) won't call a ton of fouls on us from here on out, since she's a marked coach. Strange logic.

[Bobcat4956]

AND OF COURSE I AM SURE you all will accuse of me of agreeing with GROJC for various reason. I was at the Baylor game at Waco and Mulkey acted as if it were an effort to come over and shake Coach Conradt's hand. I think she is an excellent coach, no doubt about that. But I do agree that she is a bit immature and arrogant. You can scream at me if you want but that is my take on her. She pouts like a child at every call against her. She was the benefactor of Crockrom and Lambert. It will now be interesting to see what she does without them and with her own recruits. I did not see the spectacle GROJC is talking about at OSU but from other things I have seen from her, I am not impressed. Arrogance has a way of coming back and slapping you real hard in the face.

[RaiderPower1]

She is a very emotional woman is all. She'll pay for it at times (as she did in Lubbock) and other times it won't affect her team's perfomance. She will "calm down" I'm sure as time progresses, but give her a break, she's only in her second year. I wouldn't call her classless because she is gracious in defeat and victory. I would say she sometimes lets her emotions get the best of her, but aren't we all guilty of that? Granted, I haven't seen a coach celebrate as much as she did today and I was kinda disappointed that she didn't go and shake Halterman's hand first, but hey, wha cha gonna do?

[cycofan]

At the risk of alienating myself from some of you, I agree that the KMR's behavior today was not very impressive. ESPECIALLY when your team is celebrating (deservedly so), the coach should be SURE to shake hands.

[DblT81]

Originally posted by Bobcat4956:
She was the benefactor of Crockrom and Lambert. It will now be interesting to see what she does without them and with her own recruits.

Crockrom, maybe, but not Lambert. Didn't Crockrom quit the team during her Soph season and didn't KMR talk her into coming back for her junior year? If so, I would almost give KMR credit for Crockrom as a "recruit". Lambert was heavily recruited by La Tech and came to Baylor as a KMR recruit from JUCO. After KMR left La Tech and Barrmore had announced his retirement, there was uncertainty about who was going to coach La Tech.

Anyway, the team KMR inherited was NOT stacked with talent, you must give her credit for the JUCO's she brought in and for some freshmen and soph's who have made contributions this season too.



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[Bobcat4956]

Believe me I do give her a LOT of credit. She is an awesome coach and I respect what she has done with this program. But it will be interesting to see the team without Crockrom and Lambert. That is all I was saying. Those two are INCREDIBLE players. I take nothing away from her as a coach.

[Press]

Originally posted by Bobcat4956:
Believe me I do give her a LOT of credit. She is an awesome coach and I respect what she has done with this program. But it will be interesting to see the team without Crockrom and Lambert. That is all I was saying. Those two are INCREDIBLE players. I take nothing away from her as a coach.

The sign of a good coach is being successful year after year. Talented players will come and go and unless you're UConn or Tennessee, most likely there will be years when you are not on top, but very much in the hunt.

There seems to always be those "Baylor won, but let's see how they do next year", comments, which I find very disrespectful not to give them the props they deserve this year.

I don't think it's a surprise to anyone in the B12 that Baylor will most certainly feel the affects of graduation along with several other B12 teams. The interesting part will be seeing who reloads and who rebuilds.

[Bobcat4956]

Press, I certainly don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth. I did give them credit for this year over and over. I made a statement and I stand by it. You're starting to sound like Mulkey Robertson crying on the sidelines. I did not disrespect them. WHATEVER!!!!! Shall I bow down?

[Big12Bear]

Speaking of class, there are quite a few UT fans posting on these boards who have it. Others are extremely immature and lacking in the class department, as they have been for most of the year.

By the way, just how is it assumed that Mulkey didn't shake Dick's hand? BEAR SKIN was at the game, so I'm awaiting a report from him. This is one of the silliest discussions ever posted on this board.

[Press]

Originally posted by Bobcat4956:
Press, I certainly don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth. I did give them credit for this year over and over. I made a statement and I stand by it. You're starting to sound like Mulkey Robertson crying on the sidelines. I did not disrespect them. WHATEVER!!!!! Shall I bow down?

Relax! If you will look closer to what I wrote, it says, "There always seems to be...". No where did I quote you, Bobcat. I commented on that only because I have seen previous posts about Baylor and "they won but..." comments, specifically after the second BU-UT game. It's only conversation, no need for all the hostility.

[Big12Bear]

Press, you aren't the only one who has noticed it. In fact it seems to be a common theme. "Just wait til next year" type of attitude. That talk is for losers when we're at the most exciting part of THIS YEAR. Worry about next year when this season is over. Not until then.

[AirLonghorn]

Originally posted by grojc:

Sorry, "gojc" and "bobcat," I saw nothing wrong with MK's reaction. In fact, I found it, somewhat, charming. I will grant you that a Jody or Marsha would not have reacted in the same way. But they've been in "the big games" so many times. I thought her excitement was well-warrented and fun. She simply ran onto the court with the same fanatic intensity which she coaches. Looked uplifting and very personable to me! We sould be excited that the Big XII has her as one of our coaches.
The only "oddity" was that they were just beating Oklahoma State...not winning a national title. That game,however, may only be just around the corner for them. Congrats! On the win...Bear Fans!
As a Longhorn fan, I have had the unfortunate pleasure of watching what I call the best one-two punch in women's basketball - Sheila Lambert and Daniele Crockrum. I have immense respect for the Baylor team.

But I just watched the most disgusting behavior of a coach that I've ever seen. Mulkey Robertson's victory dance, IN FRONT OF THE OKLAHOMA STATE BENCH, at the end of the OSU Baylor game was gross an inappropriate. No conference or national title was at stake - only a first round bye in a tournament. It was senior night at OSU and their coaches last home game. Can you imagine the class acts like Jody Conradt or Marsha Sharpe acted like an underclasswoman, and an immature one at that? Your playing days are over MR. Baylor fans, I hope you urge your coach to not disgrace the conference that way again. She should make a public apology to Dick H. and his group.

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[Bobcat4956]

Big12Bear, I never have said "wait til next year". NOT ONCE. I merely stated that it will be interesting without Crockrom and Lambert, because I for one, think without them, you don't make the NCAA. PERIOD!!!! I have complimented them both over and over and over. But it is never enough for you is it? And I never said I did not think what KMR did today was not right. I did not see it and I said so. I simply said I think she is somewhat immature and arrogant. AND I STAND BY THAT OBSERVATION!!!! I never said she did not have class either. So please people, if you are going to quote me, DO IT CORRECTLY!!!!!

[Bobcat4956]

AND ONE MORE THING - I have not once said wait til next year. And we are not losers. I am VERY PROUD of my Lady Horns this year. They have had some huge wins and played one of the toughest schedules in the nation which is more than I can say for your program at Baylor. We are young and talented and I look forward to the future. But I am still enjoying the present and am proud of their accomplishments THIS YEAR!!!!!

[Big12Bear]

Bobcat, you're a stinkin' genius! Take away two of the top players on about any team and there is a significant falloff.

Would OU win the Big 12 without Dales and Caufield? Would ISU be what they are without Welle? UT without Screiber/Stephens. What stupid, stupid logic.

OK now you rag on our schedule? Well what does that say for your team losing to us twice this year and FOUR IN A ROW? It's a good thing you played that tough non conference schedule or you might have lost to us by 30 or 40 http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif LOL Mulkey has one word for ya, sour grapes: SCOREBOARD!

Quit or risk further embarrassment.



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[Bobcat4956]

Well Big12Bear - Why don't you tell us all the right things to say on here so we do it YOUR way!!! After all, that seems to be the only way there is in your eyes. If we could just all attack our lives the way you have. I could care less what you think of me. After some of the STUPID, IGNORANT things you have said on here and we have all ignored, that means so much to me. I am sure you and I could get along just fine if I bent down and kissed Baylor's ______. But don't expect it. EVER.

[AirLonghorn]

Dear Bobcat and BigBear:

Children, children, children. Why can't you two enjoy the successes of both of your progams. Texas should be proud of what Baylor has done in such a short period of time. We should be glad MR is a coach in the Big XII. And Baylor, you need to be proud that Texas lost to you and beat Tennessee and Oklahoma (something Baylor couldn't do). All of Baylor's success and all of UT's big wins help the conference tremendously.

Hook'em and paw'em?

[swok34]

Did someone kidnap the real "AirLonghorn".......

that's a joke, airlonghorn.....I'm glad you have continued to post.

[Big12Bear]

Air, I like your newfound attitude on this board. One thing I'm going to do is stick up for my coach when people are insulting her over something I feel is ridiculous and irrelevant. I'd much rather discuss the game. I also don't like the lack of respect we get from a couple fans on here. Likewise I'll defend our team and players. As you'll recall, I was the first one on here to post congrats for TX beating Tennessee, so I was definitely happy that UT beat them. No comment on the OU game.

Having said that, I hope this is the last discussion on this silly topic.

[AirLonghorn]

It's amazing what medication and "s--" can do for one's attitude. (Actually, I did kidnap Air. I gave him shock treatment, and now he thinks he's a Red Raider fan...God help them! In fact, I just saw him running down Congress Avenue in a red and black polyester outfit. When the police stopped him,he was screaming "Raider Powder...Raider Powder...Gums up...gums up!)
Originally posted by swok34:
Did someone kidnap the real "AirLonghorn".......

that's a joke, airlonghorn.....I'm glad you have continued to post.



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[horntooter]

Welcome back, AirLongHead - I'm glad you made it back with your sense of humor intact. And thanks for turning down the heat on this discussion and for your perspective in KMR. I was also taken aback by her on-court celebration, but it is obvious that she was motivated by pure joy and enthusiasm and her intent was not to be disrespectful. She is still new in this role. Her demeanor may change as she weathers the ups and downs of women's basketball, especially in the Big 12 conference, but may her joy and passion for the game never change.

[gobears20]

grojc, actually I think it is a sign of respect for the Lady Cowgirls. Think about it! She is not suppose to show any reaction at all? You do not see a play like that everyday in women's college basketball. Maybe she should just hold her head high and say I knew we could win. I have respect for every Big 12 team in this league! Why? Simply its the best conference in America and on any given night you can be beat! I am a Baylor fan and I may be biased, but there was nothing wrong with that. She was excited! This is actually the first time I have seen Mulky show any emotion at all.

I am not one to like finishing second, but when you are in a conference like this, I will take it!

PS As a Baylor fan, I have seen a lot worse than what Mulky did today.

Sic Em Lady Bears!

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[two cents]

I actually thought that was kind of amusing, Air, in the context of this thread. This place is odd as sports forums go, or any internet forums for that matter. That's probably what most participants like about it. I'm not sure if an SEC board like this could achieve the same degree of cordiality. Even the running battle tonight between Big12Bear and Bobcat is pretty tame all things considered.

[grojc]

GoBears,

I like your response. I too have respect for every program in the Big 12. I am still taken back by her behavior, but your response gives a different perspective.

[swok34]

Kim's response:

"That was my Jim Valvano impersonation; I didn't have anybody to hug. Nobody likes me."

[kate dawg]

I was thinking she looked like Jimmy V too. But the thing is, she won a conference game against the 8th place team in the Big 12. Yeah yeah yeah it was on a last second bank shot, but I didn't think the running around was necessary...but I am glad she has passion for her team. That was neat. But I think she should reserve the all over the court antics for winning championships....just an opinion. Please don't yell at me.

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[Big12Bear]

Kate, Oklahoma State is in our conference. The conference win over OSU all but clinched a 2 seed for us and assured us of hosting NCAA's for the first time ever. We had never won at Gallagher-Iba arena. OSU had won 3 in a row and knocked off 3 nationally ranked teams at home. We had to deal with it being Senior night AND Halterman's last home game.

From my perspective it was a big game for all of the aforementioned reasons. Of course in your shoes, it's just "a non conference win over the 8th team in the conference." Perspective is everything I guess. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif

[Texan]

Air - glad your back.
I am really glad to see so many great coaches in the Big 12 - and MR is a great coach. Thought her celebration dance on OSU's home court on senior night was a bit much, but glad to have her in our conference. Her love of the game is not in doubt http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif

[BEAR SKIN]

CONFESSION OF AN "IMMATURE AND CLASSLESS" FAN:

February 24, 2002
Dear Diary;

I'm so ashamed, please help me remember to apologize to Big 12 women's basketball fans everywhere. I drove 350 miles to watch another exciting Big 12 game in enemy territory and my exuberance in supporting my team and especially my joy at the nail biting last .001 second victory over a team that had recently demonstrated they are now much better than an 8th place team -- caused me to actually publicly celebrate the win which earned the lady Bears their highest conference finish in my memory.

Yours, a TRULY penetant BEARSKIN http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/rolleyes.gif

[hornsofthedilemma]

I'll add my "welcome back" to Airlonghorn.

I want to know how many of you who think KMR was out of line deal daily with 18-22 year olds? If she wants to communicate with them and get the kinds of performance from them that she has during the past two years, she gonna sometimes look a bit like them...

Yeah, she'll mature. We all do. Hope she can mature and keep the lines of communication and celebration alive. Glad she loves her team's success. Glad she's in our conference. It's a fine line all the coaches walk every game to keep the team focused on winning without modeling for players that winning is "the only thing".

[gobears20]

I repsect every team in this conference. I think it shows how great this conference is when teams like UT goes to Tennessee and beats them! I hope that we will all do well in the NCAA and NIT. I just hope after we all beat up on each other, we have something left for the NCAA!

[BEAR SKIN]

ACTUAL REPORT FROM STILLWATER

--terrific, hard fought contest.
--Skibbe is the real thing--has she just suddenly emerged as a star?
--Whether OSU is an 8 or 9 seed still puts them in OU's bracket early. Should help the rest of us out, 'cause OU will not brease through that Wednesday.
--Thought Brooke McCormack had her best day.
--BU couldn't buy a basket to start the game; over and over they'd get a good look in close and blow the shot (of course I was blaming the refs for not calling the bumping fouls, but honestly, the Baylor girls got away with some pretty rough play underneath also.)

--Re: Kim's class--
Unfortunately, I was busy being "classless" myself after the winning basket by leading the "aaaaaaaaaaaay sic 'em Bears" cheer and missed Kim's misdeed. However, you may all be interested in what I had witnessed earlier, before the camera, before the game. About 45 minutes before tipoff, as I was sightseeing, wandering around Gallagher-Iba, I approached the new OSU memorial to the ten who lost their lives last year; the team was on the court warming up; there, all alone, stood KMR, quietly looking on, reading the plaques, head bowed reverently, she seemed as though she were praying -- I walked on without my usual greeting for her. The classy act classy even when not in the spotlight.

[BigUtFan]

Originally posted by grojc:
As a Longhorn fan, I have had the unfortunate pleasure of watching what I call the best one-two punch in women's basketball - Sheila Lambert and Daniele Crockrum. I have immense respect for the Baylor team.

But I just watched the most disgusting behavior of a coach that I've ever seen. Mulkey Robertson's victory dance, IN FRONT OF THE OKLAHOMA STATE BENCH, at the end of the OSU Baylor game was gross an inappropriate. No conference or national title was at stake - only a first round bye in a tournament. It was senior night at OSU and their coaches last home game. Can you imagine the class acts like Jody Conradt or Marsha Sharpe acted like an underclasswoman, and an immature one at that? Your playing days are over MR. Baylor fans, I hope you urge your coach to not disgrace the conference that way again. She should make a public apology to Dick H. and his group.

[This message has been edited by grojc (edited 02-24-2002).] I really enjoyed reading all of these hilarious posts on "Got Mulk"........What I find even more hilarious is the constant bashing of posts, by others, regarding posts from UT fans and how we have NO CLASS!! Well, get ready, cause IMO, most of you that post here, don't either. I agree with grojc and that is the reason I'm here on this post. When Mulk has the experience and savvy that Sharp, Conradt, Ceale and others have, I will give her all the credit she deserves. Until then NO WAY!!
Sourgrapes and Scoreboard, I think not. Let's see how far they go in the NCAA, which I sincerely hope they make more progress than last year. I just don't think that she has earned that swagger and overly arrogant attitude as of yet. I well remember the UT dominance in the SWC and the down years also, but you still get the same JC....Ditto for Sharp and her teams of old and new as well. I SAW MULK PAINFULLY STRIDE TO JC AT THE BAYLOR GAME, AT BAYLOR, BEFORE THE GAME. It was a disgusting act of, well you know what. I wish you people would get off UT fans, players etc. especially on this post. Even comments like," I usually just skip over UT posts," made by others. I really don't care if you read them or not, just be consistent with all. Some people feel free to speak out and when UT does, we are bashed. How absurd. Bottom line.....MR will be successful in this league and I wish all the best for Crockrom and Lambert. I think what we as fans are trying to say, w/o getting beaten up, is what will MR do w/o talent. Then let that swagger speak for itself. She has NOT earned it yet. The article in the DMN said it all and was quoted by MS. MR herself...."I didn't have anybody to hug. Nobody likes me."

[Jennifer]

Originally posted by BigUtFan:
I agree with grojc and that is the reason I'm here on this post. When Mulk has the experience and savvy that Sharp, Conradt, Ceale and others have, I will give her all the credit she deserves. Until then NO WAY!!
Sourgrapes and Scoreboard, I think not. Let's see how far they go in the NCAA, which I sincerely hope they make more progress than last year. I just don't think that she has earned that swagger and overly arrogant attitude as of yet. I well remember the UT dominance in the SWC and the down years also, but you still get the same JC....Ditto for Sharp and her teams of old and new as well. I SAW MULK PAINFULLY STRIDE TO JC AT THE BAYLOR GAME, AT BAYLOR, BEFORE THE GAME. It was a disgusting act of, well you know what. I wish you people would get off UT fans, players etc. especially on this post. Even comments like," I usually just skip over UT posts," made by others. I really don't care if you read them or not, just be consistent with all. Some people feel free to speak out and when UT does, we are bashed. How absurd. Bottom line.....MR will be successful in this league and I wish all the best for Crockrom and Lambert. I think what we as fans are trying to say, w/o getting beaten up, is what will MR do w/o talent. Then let that swagger speak for itself. She has NOT earned it yet. The article in the DMN said it all and was quoted by MS. MR herself...."I didn't have anybody to hug. Nobody likes me."


So, KMR hasn't been around as long as some of the others, so that doesn't give her the right to celebrate a big win?
Please...I can't believe this thread has gone on this long (nor that I'm actually replying to it). Her team won on a last second shot against a team that's been on a roll. She's happy, big deal, get over it. It's better than a stoic, icy expressionless response IMO. So she doesn't carry herself like MS or JC, big deal. She's a different person, from a different generation. Seems like a lot of this KMR bashing is because she doesn't act how one of the older, more tenured and experienced coaches act. Why's that a problem? Again, get over it.

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[kate dawg]

Originally posted by Big12Bear:
Kate, Oklahoma State is in our conference. The conference win over OSU all but clinched a 2 seed for us and assured us of hosting NCAA's for the first time ever. We had never won at Gallagher-Iba arena. OSU had won 3 in a row and knocked off 3 nationally ranked teams at home. We had to deal with it being Senior night AND Halterman's last home game.

From my perspective it was a big game for all of the aforementioned reasons. Of course in your shoes, it's just "a non conference win over the 8th team in the conference." Perspective is everything I guess. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif

interesting. Well, from a fan of a team who beat said 8th place team 79-57, I guess I stand corrected. All I can say is I didn't see Ceal Barry jumping around when it was 40-12 at halftime against No. 12 in the country, keeping CU alive for a top four seed at the conference tourney as well as a home ncaa bid. It's all perspective. and did i not say that i can appreciate her emotion? geez. sensitive.

I'm pretty sure that if i were in Lincoln tomorrow, and CU were to pull off a win, I wouldn't see Ceal running all over the court. when Mandy Nightingale hit a half court shot in Lubbock two weeks ago, en route to giving CU it's first ever win in Lubbock, Ceal didn't dance all over the floor. When Britt Hartshorn blocked Natalie Ritchie's last second three point attempt, she didn't join the melee. She walked over and shook Marsha Sharp's hand, and her team followed her. That's what I expect from my team and my coach, and what I love about Colorado basketball.

When watching Monday Night Football, Dennis Miller often says "geez, man, act like you've been there." Nuff said and I'm through talking about this subject. Big 12 Bear, we can agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Oops, I went back to my original post, I didn't realize I had put it was a non-conference game. Typos. What can you do.

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[Big12Bear]

1) CU didn't beat KSU on a buzzer-beater
2) there was no rejoicing going on when we beat CU by 11
3) Don't ever quote Dennis Miller and be expected to be taken seriously.

And one more time, OSU is a member of the Big 12 conference. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif

[Zo31]

HoopScoop, I wish you would put a lock on this thread, please?

[HoopScoop]

Nope. Not this time. As long as their is no vulgarity and the such like that - I say this is open for discussion. I think its interesting to see how people react to KMR. She is much, much more exuberant than just about any other coach I've seen personally. And that brings with it, its own set of pros and cons to how she is perceived.

I really, really hate it when people say just don't read this or that or ignore this or that if you don't like it. But, unfortunately, I think it may apply to this thread. If you don't care about this topic - I'd just stay away from it.

[RaiderPower1]

Ok...let's settle down and take it to 1999 in Waco. The score was tied with just a few seconds to go. Keitha Dickerson of Texas Tech dribbled right in front of the foul line and let her shot go with less than a second left in the game. SWISH! The ball ripped the net (no glass for this one Crockrom http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif ) and the entire Lady Raider team jump piled Keitha, but Marsha Sharp casually walked over to shake Coach Hogg's hand.

So, same circumstances, a little different outcome. I wouldn't call KMR classless because she is a very respectable coach. The only thing I felt happened that shouldn't have happened is when KMR ran and celebrated with her team first instead of shaking the Coach Halterman's hand first. I know (as a 9-12 grade assistant coach) that I get excited at times, but I always respect the other coach win or lose. It's hard to controll your emotions especially after a long close game, but one shouldn't lose sight of respectability especially on a visitor's home court. Now, saying all of that, I know KMR didn't mean to totally go balastic, but I know she'll learn to contoll her emotions. KMR is a great one BU. Hang on to her!

[Big12Bear]

Marsha had beaten BU every year since 1983. Of course she's not going to go nuts. I would have expected her to be almost comatose http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif BU had never won at Gallagher-Iba. Two completely different situations.

[BigUtFan]

Originally posted by Big12Bear:
Marsha had beaten BU every year since 1983. Of course she's not going to go nuts. I would have expected her to be almost comatose http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif BU had never won at Gallagher-Iba. Two completely different situations. Yes, but you are still missing the point. I grew up with MR in La. and she is a fireball. I watched her win four state championships, play softball, men's and women's, and play at La. Tech. I am not saying she is not a good coach or a good person. She is. IMO, the situation should have been handled differently.

[Big12Bear]

and you're missing the point UT fan. The situation the Tech fan was comparing above and the BU-OSU game were different for reasons I pointed out.

Mulkey loves to win, but she handles herself well throughout the game. Occasionally she will jump all over a ref about a call, but what coach doesn't? I've seen Halterman thrown out of the Ferrell Center on two occasions, having to be restrained.

[Zo31]

The problem is, I Care about this topic! Being perceived as exuberant is one thing, but several of these posts insinuate unpleasant things. The remark by BigUTfan "I saw Mulk painfully stride to JC at the Baylor game, at Baylor before the game. It was a disgusting act of, well you know what. I wish you people would get off UT players, fans, etc. espcially in this post." Give me a break! You say you grew up with her and that she is a good coach and good person and then you blast her with stupid remarks. Maybe I care just a little too much. I sure hope the Lady Bears meet up with the Longhorns one more time this season.

[kate dawg]

Oh and I noticed how you ignored my comparison to the Texas Tech game Big 12 Bear. You sure do like to bring the smack talk. You're not even going to admit that it was maybe a smidge un-PC to run around before shaking Halterman's hand? Come on. I Like Kim. I said that in the first post I said about this, because I do enjoy that she gets emotional. But I still think that was disrespectful, and the Jimmy V impersonation was unwarranted.

[BigUtFan]

Originally posted by Big12Bear:
and you're missing the point UT fan. The situation the Tech fan was comparing above and the BU-OSU game were different for reasons I pointed out.

Mulkey loves to win, but she handles herself well throughout the game. Occasionally she will jump all over a ref about a call, but what coach doesn't? I've seen Halterman thrown out of the Ferrell Center on two occasions, having to be restrained.

[Big12Bear]

You're too funny Kate! http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif

Dennis Miller told me that Mulkey's 80-69 "smack" on the Lady Buffaloes was also unwarranted. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif

I see you like to throw around that word "smack" a lot. In your predictions ISU is going to "smack us around." http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif I don't consider myself "talking smack." It's a good discussion we have going on here. OK, I wouldn't call it good. But it's a discussion. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif

Again, I think Mulkey's celebration was completely spur-of-the-moment. It wasn't premeditated.

After a buzzer beater like that, you don't say....

"OK let's see...Shake Halterman's hand....Check. Pat Danielle on the back...Check. Take the nearest bus out of Stillwater and hope to make it out alive...Check." These coaches are not robots. They're HUMANS. And that was a completely normal reaction to such an event. It's amazing the little things that bother some people. NAMELY THOSE PEOPLE WHOSE TEAMS GOT SMOKED BY MULKEY THIS YEAR.

***disclaimer*** That was my feeble attempt at "smack." http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif

[BigUtFan]

Originally posted by Zo31:
The problem is, I Care about this topic! Being perceived as exuberant is one thing, but several of these posts insinuate unpleasant things. The remark by BigUTfan "I saw Mulk painfully stride to JC at the Baylor game, at Baylor before the game. It was a disgusting act of, well you know what. I wish you people would get off UT players, fans, etc. espcially in this post." Give me a break! You say you grew up with her and that she is a good coach and good person and then you blast her with stupid remarks. Maybe I care just a little too much. I sure hope the Lady Bears meet up with the Longhorns one more time this season. You need to relax a chill just a little. I for one don't make stupid remarks about anyone and I won't make one to you regarding this response. The point was/is this...I know her and her personality(s). She is dynamite and I have said that all along. BUT I STILL DISAGREE WITH HER ACTIONS ON THE COURT, WHETHER IT IS PRE-GAME OR POST-GAME, AND THAT SIMPLY IS MY OPINION, TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT, BUT PLEASE DO NOT CALL MY REMARKS STUPID.........

[Bobcat4956]

Zo, GROW UP. Just because people disagree with you doesn't mean you have to run like a 3 year old to HoopScoop and beg them to close the topic. It's amazing. Whenever anyone disagrees with you Baylor people we are all so bad. That's what this forum is about.

[Bobcat4956]

And one more thing. I never said Mulkey was classless. I even said that I did not see the spectacle at OSU. I did, however, see her at the Baylor game and what an effort she made it look like to come over before the game and shake Coach Conradt's hand. She cries all game long to the officials and in my opinion is immature. I don't see Coach Sharp acting like that, or Ceal Barry, or many of the others in the Big 12. I think she is a great coach, but her antics leave a lot to be desired. And I too hope we meet Baylor again this year. Baylor has a GREAT team this year and while we are not quite there yet, I will take our group over Baylor's anytime. We get most of ours back next year.

[Big12Bear]

Good to see you've given up on this year Bobcat. We'll talk to you next year. Have a good one! http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif

[Bobcat4956]

Big12Bear - OBVIOUSLY your fourth grade education doesn't enable you to read very well. Look at my post and you will see I said I too hope we meet Baylor again this year. Unlike your school, we don't run from good competition. That is something you all do very well and is reflected in your pathetic RPI ranking.

[BigUtFan]

Originally posted by Big12Bear:
Good to see you've given up on this year Bobcat. We'll talk to you next year. Have a good one! http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif I have always enjoyed your sense of humor(?) but do we ever await the day for a re-match in the Big 12 tourney!!!! Hate to send BU packin' so early............

[Cycurl714]

As a bystander
Emotion is what drives the game. KMR wasn't mocking anyone. i see no problem with celebrating a win especially coming the was it did for Baylor

[Redbear]

Seems to me UT Fans think they are royalty and somebody comes in and beats them the first four times she plays them --they hate her and look for any excuse to trash her.

[YCN]

The endless thread about nothing that matters.

Get a life, people.

[AirLonghorn]

Originally posted by Redbear:
Seems to me UT Fans think they are royalty and somebody comes in and beats them the first four times she plays them --they hate her and look for any excuse to trash her.

A agree with you, Redbear. (Are you a native American?)From reading the "ever-so-long-lasting" posts on this topic, I detected more than a "hint" of jealousy from the people responding (many UT fans). It reminds me of the Tech fans constantly bashing UT because UT was always "beating up" on them. I guess it's just insecurity and human nature, to some extent. Everyone always wants "a shot" at the powerful. I guess this year is Baylor's turn to be "the hunted."

Hook'em horns....paw'em Bears...3rd time is the charm?

[cyfanatic]

Feel free to check out my post under the ISU-Baylor subject.

[ISU3PointLand]

I'm not sure if I should post this under this topic or the ISU-Baylor thread, but it is something that I thought I would address.

During the Baylor/ISU game, it was evident that after almost every call, whether it be a foul or out-of-bounds call, the Lady Bears, for lack of a better term, whined to the officials. I saw a lot of the "What? That couldn't have been called on me" looks given to the officals by the Baylor players.

I know this happens during a big game and that players are sometimes surprised by calls. But this happened 9 out of 10 calls. Baylor plays a very aggressive defense and should realize that they will get called for fouls and calls will go against them.

Is this something that maybe was an isolated instance for one game, or is this an issue that other fans have noticed. If it is, I lose a bit of respect KMR, simply because it doesn't make the players take responsibility for their actions. When you've committed a foul and it's obvious, admit it.

Otherwise, I thought it was a great game offensively. I will admit the officiating was once again terrible. But Baylor took that game and ran with it. We couldn't close the Lady Bears out and we got beat. I can't wait for the rematch in KC.

[Big12Bear]

ISU, I think that Mulkey was not pleased with the foul situation at halftime. BU had 20, ISU had 5. 20 fouls in one half is the most I have ever heard on one team in 20 minutes of play. Our announcers could not believe the way we were getting jobbed. Having said that, good teams overcome those obstacles on the road, and the Lady Bears did just that.

[ISU3PointLand]

I think you missed my point Big12Bear. It wasn't so much KMR complaining about the calls. Heck, I'd expect that of any Big XII coach. But the players were looking shocked after EVERY call. As if they couldn't believe that they had been called. Like I said before, you almost expect to see that at least a couple of times a game, but it appeared to be happening a lot from the Lady Bears. Also, ISU plays a soft zone, so you expect not to have as many fouls as a team that plays a more aggressive man-to-man defense.

But again, water under the bridge, we'll just have to beat you in KC. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/biggrin.gif