OU - Texas

[schooner2]

OU starts the game shooting 1-12 and is trailing Texas 12-6 with 11:34 left in the first half. OU can't get an offensive rebound. And Texas already has a technical foul on their bench.

[schooner2]

Texas is up 24-23 at halftime. Both teams are shooting horrendously right now as both are 8-27 in field goal attempts in the first half. Stephens is something like 2-10 with 9 of those within 5 feet or so.

Caton Hill has 3 fouls and Shannon Selmon has seem some time in the first half as a result.

Okay, who wants this game?

[YCN]

me me me (ahem)

just clearing my throat.

[swok34]

yuk, yuk, yuk.........this is like a train headed downhill....
How many minutes did Caton Hill play........4? I really think the refs had her targeted tonite, she couldn't hardly get in the game without getting charged with a foul.

[schooner2]

Sooners just 6 of 15 from the free throw line. That's a killer and Texas up by 6 with around 6 minutes left.

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[swok34]

Caton Hill fouled out
Heather Schreiber fouled out

Laneisha Caufield 4
Rosalind Ross 3

Kenya Larkin 4
Kala Bowers 4
Anista Hastings 3

and the Sooners are like 12 of 25 from the FT line.
the Longhorns have maybe missed 2 FT the whole game.

[Bob_Ballew]

Free throw story sounds like the Baylor-Texas game.

[swok34]

oh no........the radio connection went with OU hitting a 3 with less than a minute to grab a 54-53 lead..........

[schooner2]

Allright, that engineer for 1520 AM KOMA should be fired. This is ridiculous as the connection has been lost several times this game and one right after Dales give OU the lead after coming from 10 down!!

22.1 seconds to go , OU leads 55-53. Larkin is fouled out to go with Schreiber and Hill of OU.

[schooner2]

Cook ties it up at 55 all with 15 seconds left.

[swok34]

55-55 OU has the ball with 9 seconds..........

overtime..

[schooner2]

Overtime in Austin, tied at 55 all. OU has had one of the worst free throw shooting games ever with something like 11-23 or 11-24 something like that. It's so far cost them a victory. Let's see what OU can do now. First overtime game for OU this year.

[KSUron]

OT for UT? Something about that sounds familiar. UT should be getting used to OT by now.

[swok34]

I think OU tried to start chunking 3's too soon........but I think it's the free throws that will ultimately cost them this game....

[Bob_Ballew]

What's the score, and how much time?

[schooner2]

Texas has all but won the game - just a couple of seconds left and UT up 67-62. And Bowers at the line.

15-29 OU was tonight at the free throw line.

UT wins 68-62.

[Bevo]

WOOOO HOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Hook 'em http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/ut.gif !!!

[Bob_Ballew]

WOW! I had to flip a coin on this one. For some strange reason I felt Texas would win but my coin toss said OU.

Poor free throw shooting will get you every time.

Congrates UT!

[KSUron]

Just another boring game in the Big 12. No wonder nobody ever comes out to see these games. NOT! What a crazy conference. Condolences and Congrats are in order. Go big XII!

[kate dawg]

Shocking...just shocking. congrats UT, bummer OU.

[YCN]

Scorched by the Horny ones!

Oh, the humanity!

[Press]

Tough loss http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/ou.gif, now you know how the rest of us feel about 6-7 games this season. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif

Great win http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/ut.gif!

What a conference!

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[swok34]

Sherri Coale herself said........"we didn't deserve to win this game, you don't win games if you can't put the ball in the hole".

[mred]

My wife and I went to a movie. When we got back, I went to the computer, saying out loud "Which Big XII team got upset tonight?" Lo and behold...

[swok34]

Scott Yarbrough


Somehow I knew before I looked that he was a ref at this game. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif
The last time OU & Texas met, they called the captains over during the game and told them to clean up the rough stuff or they would call a foul everytime down the court.......

I guess they didn't warn them this go-round....

[schooner2]

Coach Coale liked how the game was played by the Sooners. She felt OU's defense was just fine, and the offense, despite the 0-11 start, was okay. She said you will have games where you don't hit from the field that well, but as long as you make up for it at the free throw line so be it. But, OU didn't. All OU had to do was hit one more free throw in regulation to win it, but couldn't.

She also stated, this doesn't cost OU the regular season title, the #1 seed in the Big 12 Tourney is already decided and it doesn't cost OU a #1 seed in the NCAA Tourney. So, if there is such as thing as a good loss or a loss that just doesn't sting so much, this was it. And I'm glad UT beat UT just a few days ago. Doesn't make this loss seem bad at all.

Wonder if UT will get a big boost in the polls as long as they win this weekend. After beating Tennessee and Oklahoma, despite losing to Baylor - surely that will turn even more heads.

[schooner2]

Let me go one further. Unless Texas falls on its face down the stretch, they may have just played themselves into a host seed. Games down the stretch have always counted a lot to the selection committee. So, this could either give the Big 12 an unprecedented 6 host seeds (hard to believe though). If Texas ends up 5th or higher in conference, I think they definitely get a host seed.

[Cory]

Just got back from the game.
Throat will be sore tomorrow.
First half - can you say DEFENSE!?!?!?!?
The shooting percentages do not tell the whole story.
There was no such thing as an uncontested shot in the first half.
Hand in the face or your shot is blocked.
Stacy Stephens missed her first four or five shots standing under the goal. I enjoyed the defense played by both teams.
Getting the win was only a bonus.

The Aggies come to town Saturday. They beat us last time right after an overtime game.

The Big 12 - You just never know.

[hornsofthedilemma]

Just want to mention the class act of Stacy Dales who reportedly told the longhorns tonight after the game, "Good win, and it was a good win for the conference in Tennessee."

What a game!!! The women rocked on defense on both teams.

Could the calls have been more stupid???--and I say this with the best of intentions--stupid both ways. No predictability in the way it would fall out when a whistle blew. Yuk!

Really glad to get our hands on this win. I'm with Jody and will play the lotto all 3's this week.

Hook 'em http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/ut.gif

[horntooter]

AirLongHead - do you think you could get your cousins "Poly" and "Ester" to ref a few other Big 12 games? I'm sure they would have been better than the ones in Austin tonight.

Seriously, though, it was a great game, a defensive dogfight for 45 minutes and both Stacies proved themselves to be real warriors. Stacy Dales was limping for the last few minutes of regulation and into overtime, still managed to drive to the basket, sink her free throws and 3 pointers. Anissa played great defense on her, but Dales still managed 17 points. Stacy Stephens had maybe 6 points at the half; she said in Fast Break that she was worrying about fouling in the first half after getting those two early fouls in the Baylor game. But she came through in the second half, ended the game with over 20 points.

Hopefully Schooner is right, and UT has played themselves into a host seed, if they finish their games in good form.

Congratulations to both teams for a great game.

[grojc]

Yes, the box score doesn't tell the story. Just two incredible defensive efforts. Annissa Hastings was player of the game. You had to have been there. She had two blocks on one series in the first half that just set the tone for the UT defense all night. What a game. Even the officials at least made their bonehead calls pretty evenly. I'm sorry OU, I thought you had the momentum going into overtime. Hope this doesn't hurt your seeding scenario Thanks for all you OU fans who rooted for us in the Tennessee game. Good luck the rest of the season (unless we play again, hee hee.)

[Bobcat4956]

Talk about poor officiating. Physical is not the word. But it was called both ways. Anissa Hastings in my opinion was the difference in this game. I think she had five blocked shots. OU is a great team and better than we are right now. Your time is now and you will put this behind you and go forward this year and do very well. I would also like to comment on the class of Coach Coale(sp). She showed tremendous class in defeat and is definitely a class act as is Stacy Dales. And she is definitely the best dressed coach in the Big 12. She was workin that outfit tonight. Congrats Lady Horns. What an effort on the defensive end. Very proud of you all.

[swok34]

Were Caton Hill's fouls valid?.....I know the illegal screen probably was, but I've never in the 3 years I've been watching OU or listening (as the case was last night)...seen or heard of Caton playing so few minutes......and not being able to hardly step into the game without fouling. Now, mind you, I know she plays rough......but she has been just a much smarter player in the Big XII where fouling is concerned this year.

[Big12Bear]

This game sounds like it was very similar to BU's game in Norman, with BU missing 14 of 27 free throws and OU hitting 25-27. Truly the difference in this one as well.

[AirLonghorn]

Hey, Bobcat. Maybe you should start dressing like Sherry Coles. That might be fun to see...ha!
Originally posted by Bobcat4956:
Talk about poor officiating. Physical is not the word. But it was called both ways. Anissa Hastings in my opinion was the difference in this game. I think she had five blocked shots. OU is a great team and better than we are right now. Your time is now and you will put this behind you and go forward this year and do very well. I would also like to comment on the class of Coach Coale(sp). She showed tremendous class in defeat and is definitely a class act as is Stacy Dales. And she is definitely the best dressed coach in the Big 12. She was workin that outfit tonight. Congrats Lady Horns. What an effort on the defensive end. Very proud of you all.

[Bobcat4956]

Airlonghorn, I would, but just don't quite have the body Coach Coale does. Everyone keeps blaming OU's loss on missed free throws, and, of course, that hurt them terribly. It would hurt any team. But Texas missed about 7 layups in the first half that hurt them too. Let's give the Longhorns a bit of credit for this win. Of course Oklahoma is, at this point, the more talented team. But Texas came to play last night.

[Jennifer]

Originally posted by Bobcat4956:
Airlonghorn, I would, but just don't quite have the body Coach Coale does. Everyone keeps blaming OU's loss on missed free throws, and, of course, that hurt them terribly. It would hurt any team. But Texas missed about 7 layups in the first half that hurt them too. Let's give the Longhorns a bit of credit for this win. Of course Oklahoma is, at this point, the more talented team. But Texas came to play last night.

I didn't see the game and only heard part of it on the radio, so all I can go by is the box score. But based on it, neither team came to play: both shot below 40%, 44 TO's combined, 46 fouls, UT shot a horrid 3pt %age.

The biggest difference is in free throws. Texas made theirs, OU didn't. OU hits even close to their season %age, they win.

[grojc]

Jennifer,

You had to have been there. Texas really came to play. OU was good on defense, but so was Texas hence the stats your pointing to. But I promise you, they just don't tell the story. In many ways, that was the best the Longhorns have played all year.

[JK]

Jennifer. I respectfully say that you are wrong. I was on the second row behind the UT bench and I saw every bead of sweat, every hard pick, every block, hold, scratch, and heard every word that was said. BOTH TEAMS PLAYED EXTREMELY HARD!!! Poor shooting percentages are not uncommon in a game that is so hotly contested defensively. The officiating was absolutely horrendous!!! If OU weren't getting their fair share of terrible calls, I'd have sworn the officals were outright cheating! That's just how POOR and BLATANT the calls were. Yes, if OU had made their FT's they'd have come out better. But they were on the road, in a hostile environment, and in a game like they've probably not had all year long. Stacy Stephens was so intimidated by the officials that she would catch the ball and look down as to not make any contact with anyone. As a result, she missed about 8 or 9 point-blank shots. So that kinda washes the poor free-throw shooting by OU. Trust me, the Sooners probably needed a game like this almost as bad as UT did, and both teams will be much better because of it. It was DEFINITELY NCAA TOURNEY INTENSITY LEVEL!!! A GOOD OLD FASHIONED HAIR-GRABBER!!!! Coach Coale, her staff, and her team are truly a CLASS ACT! I wish them the best in the NCAA tourney, and feel they have the best chance to represent the BIG 12 in the Final Four.

[schooner2]

But in this case, you can blame the loss on missed free throws. We aren't taking anything away from Texas. They led most of the game which says a lot. Only two other teams have been able to do that against OU all season.

But the fact is, if OU simply shoots its average from the free throw line, they win. I'm not saying OU shoots its field goal average - we're talking free throws. Free throws are uncontested shots that are shot from the same distance no matter where or who a team is playing. Texas doesn't get a chance to use its great defense it had last night on someone shooting a free throw. 100% of the blame of missing a free throw goes on the person trying to make the free throw. Therefore, OU cost itself a chance to win by missing free throws.

I could also say, if Caton could have stayed in the game or OU made a few more than 20 of 60 shots they would have won. But those have everything to do with playing Texas and therefore everyone should give Texas all the credit in the world.

Free throws are totally different.

Texas did play very well - enough so - that if OU had a poor free throw shooting night, it would cost OU the game. I guess in that sense you can give Texas credit. On the other hand, there are a few other games OU would have lost this season if they shot 51% from the free throw line when attempting nearly 30 free throws. Games that come to mind are Kansas State and the game at Oklahoma State.

[schooner2]

Originally posted by JK:
Jennifer. I respectfully say that you are wrong. I was on the second row behind the UT bench and I saw every bead of sweat, every hard pick, every block, hold, scratch, and heard every word that was said. BOTH TEAMS PLAYED EXTREMELY HARD!!! Poor shooting percentages are not uncommon in a game that is so hotly contested defensively. The officiating was absolutely horrendous!!! If OU weren't getting their fair share of terrible calls, I'd have sworn the officals were outright cheating! That's just how POOR and BLATANT the calls were. Yes, if OU had made their FT's they'd have come out better. But they were on the road, in a hostile environment, and in a game like they've probably not had all year long. Stacy Stephens was so intimidated by the officials that she would catch the ball and look down as to not make any contact with anyone. As a result, she missed about 8 or 9 point-blank shots. So that kinda washes the poor free-throw shooting by OU. Trust me, the Sooners probably needed a game like this almost as bad as UT did, and both teams will be much better because of it. It was DEFINITELY NCAA TOURNEY INTENSITY LEVEL!!! A GOOD OLD FASHIONED HAIR-GRABBER!!!! Coach Coale, her staff, and her team are truly a CLASS ACT! I wish them the best in the NCAA tourney, and feel they have the best chance to represent the BIG 12 in the Final Four.


Understand where you are coming from JK, but this isn't the first hard game OU has played this season. And we are talking strictly free throw percentages here - not field goal percentages. Caufield, Talbert, Dales - have all had to make very high pressure free throws before in hostile environments (see game at OSU; see trying to keep KSU from coming back on the Sooners in front of 10,000+ screaming fans). The Sooners chocked - pure and simple.

Texas did do something as I mentioned earlier - exposed OU's frontline depth as being nearly non-existent. Take Hill out and OU is vulnerable, especially if they can't make free throws. Kudos to them for doing that. AND, kudos to Stephens for realizing how the refs were calling the game, and, therefore, playing a smart game by not fouling. She eventually had 20 points to Caton's ZERO. Maybe the more important stat is Stephens played smart and was rewarded by being able to play 43 minutes.

[JK]

I didn't say that this was OU's only "hard" game. Believe me, I was watching when they played UConn and was cheering my heart out for them. Also, they play in the Big 12 so there have been plenty of hard games for them this year. But the intensity level of this game - - from both sides - - was unbelievable. If you weren't there, then you have no earthly idea. Like I said, those gals pulled each others' hair the whole game!!! I was also shocked that the Sooners didn't shoot better from the line. I was especially shocked at Caufiled's misses. Again, the intensity level by both teams, the coaches, and the fans played a big part in that. Add to that, the frustration of both teams from the officiating and the physical exhaustion, and free-throws suddenly aren't as easy as they seem. Believe me, both teams just took another step in getting prepared for March Madness.

[schooner2]

Originally posted by JK:
I didn't say that this was OU's only "hard" game. Believe me, I was watching when they played UConn and was cheering my heart out for them. Also, they play in the Big 12 so there have been plenty of hard games for them this year. But the intensity level of this game - - from both sides - - was unbelievable. If you weren't there, then you have no earthly idea. Like I said, those gals pulled each others' hair the whole game!!! I was also shocked that the Sooners didn't shoot better from the line. I was especially shocked at Caufiled's misses. Again, the intensity level by both teams, the coaches, and the fans played a big part in that. Add to that, the frustration of both teams from the officiating and the physical exhaustion, and free-throws suddenly aren't as easy as they seem. Believe me, both teams just took another step in getting prepared for March Madness.

Ah, good point. Physical and mental exhaustion could play havoc on free throw shooting - at least at the end of a game.

[Texan]

Jennifer - reading the box scores this morning, I can see that they don't show what a game it was last night, but both teams played hard. The defense was incredible and the officiating was incredibly bad! While it didn't favor one team over the other, it did change the flow of the game.

OU played hard, has a fantastic team and lots of class. I'll be pulling for them when they aren't playing UT in the post season. Go Big 12!

[grojc]

I think we should ease up on Jennifer now. Her post was an honest assessment of the stats. I was stunned when I looked at them when I got home as well.

[Jennifer]

Well, I did comment that I didn't see the game so only had stats to go on (I'm a statistician by degree; if anyone knows that stats don't tell the whole story, it's me).

I wasn't implying that because that stats are so bad, that Texas (or OU) didn't play hard. I also wasn't interpreting the phrase "they came to play" to mean that they played hard, rather that they hit shots, protected the ball, executed on offense, and played an all around good game. I would expect that any contending team to "come to play" at this point in the season, though that doesn't always mean they play to their abilities. Shots just sometimes don't fall, no matter how hard you play or how good you are.

Again, since I wasn't there, I can't comment on the flow of the game. I did have a vivid picture in my head of Jackson driving with seconds left, though in my picture the ball went in and OU got out of there with a win. Oh well.

[Big12Bear]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jennifer:
(I'm a statistician by degree; if anyone knows that stats don't tell the whole story, it's me).


LOL

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[mred]

Originally posted by Jennifer:
Again, since I wasn't there, I can't comment on the flow of the game. I did have a vivid picture in my head of Jackson driving with seconds left, though in my picture the ball went in and OU got out of there with a win. Oh well.


I know what you mean. I have a vivid picture in my head of Lindsey Wilson driving the lane and hitting a pull-up jumper to send ISU over OSU. Wait a sec. No, I don't. I saw that game on TV. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif

[swok34]

uh, mred, I believe you are living in the past as I was accused of this week........

actually that was Megan Taylor against OU in Norman last year
http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif

didn't Dionnah's shot do everything BUT go in.....???

[mred]

Originally posted by swok34:
uh, mred, I believe you are living in the past as I was accused of this week........

actually that was Megan Taylor against OU in Norman last year
http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif


Lindsey Wilson tried to do the exact same thing against OSU on Sunday, except hero-of-the-day Skibbe stuffed her as time expired.

Someone could make a whole higlight/lowlight reel based on the game-winning shots made/missed by Megan Taylor over the years... http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif There are quite a few. My favorite is the 30+ foot turn-around jumper she made with the score tied and time running out at home against Texas. A close second would be the Oklahoma shot. Among her notable misses are in NCAA tournament games against Rutgers and Penn State.

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[AirLonghorn]

Originally posted by Bobcat4956:

I guess you could sponsor a "Coale's dress-alike"contest...ha!

I'm a little worried about OU. Last year, they peaked a little too early. I hope it's not the same case this year. One thing we can say with certainty: the Longhorns have not peaked! We have such young talent, there's so very much room for improvement. That's why Jody's coaching and understanding of the game is so important. She's made sure that the team has come along at the right pace. Her judgment is impecable, as a significant coach! As fans,we always want "the win," but what the coaches are doing "for the team" is so very important. Jody has "been there, done that." Coales has not.

Airlonghorn, I would, but just don't quite have the body Coach Coale does. Everyone keeps blaming OU's loss on missed free throws, and, of course, that hurt them terribly. It would hurt any team. But Texas missed about 7 layups in the first half that hurt them too. Let's give the Longhorns a bit of credit for this win. Of course Oklahoma is, at this point, the more talented team. But Texas came to play last night.

[BigUtFan]

Originally posted by schooner:
Coach Coale liked how the game was played by the Sooners. She felt OU's defense was just fine, and the offense, despite the 0-11 start, was okay. She said you will have games where you don't hit from the field that well, but as long as you make up for it at the free throw line so be it. But, OU didn't. All OU had to do was hit one more free throw in regulation to win it, but couldn't.

She also stated, this doesn't cost OU the regular season title, the #1 seed in the Big 12 Tourney is already decided and it doesn't cost OU a #1 seed in the NCAA Tourney. So, if there is such as thing as a good loss or a loss that just doesn't sting so much, this was it. And I'm glad UT beat UT just a few days ago. Doesn't make this loss seem bad at all.

Wonder if UT will get a big boost in the polls as long as they win this weekend. After beating Tennessee and Oklahoma, despite losing to Baylor - surely that will turn even more heads. I would like to think UT would move way-up in the polls after their victory over OU and A&M!!! Also, I was a bit confused about the statements Coale made about "nothing hurt" with this loss, as it would not affect their #1 ranking in the NCAA Tourney.....What was she thinking? Any loss at this time of the year is not a good loss, and it really could, and I hope not, affect their seedings in the tourney. Afterall, they still have two games remaining, plus the Big 12 Tourney. I was at the game, front row center, and it was a dandy. I think both teams were very physical on the defensive end, but I would have to give the edge to UT. They seemed to want it more. Also, and I like here a great deal as a player must admit that Hastings schooled Dales on defense. What a great move by JC. GO HORNS!!!!!!!!

[BigUtFan]

Originally posted by Jennifer:
I didn't see the game and only heard part of it on the radio, so all I can go by is the box score. But based on it, neither team came to play: both shot below 40%, 44 TO's combined, 46 fouls, UT shot a horrid 3pt %age.

The biggest difference is in free throws. Texas made theirs, OU didn't. OU hits even close to their season %age, they win. Jennifer, have to disagree with you here. UT came to play, period. Forget percentages and missed free-throws. Bottom-line was the final score and UT wanted it more. When you are ranked third in the nation, you are expected and supposed to make free throws. So, Let's give UT a little credit for their win!!! They deserve it........

[Big12Bear]

Airhorn, the following was a post made by Jennifer on another thread that you might want to take into consideration.

Jennifer: "Airlonghorn, could you please not put your text into or with the text of the person you are replying to? It makes it very difficult to read, and sometimes even to distinguish what you are saying vs. what the person you are quoting is saying without having to scroll up and reread other things.
Thanks."

Just a thought http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif