Ttu @ Ksu

[swok34]

A preview done by my favorite ;) color person in women's Big BB......Brenda VanLengen


http://msn.foxsports.com/wcbk/story/3338298

Dang......this is who you all were talking about in chat last nite. Where in the heck did this girl come from? She looks like Latoya Davis, Jr........

http://msn.foxsports.com/id/3338382


Dang.....my thread starting topic headlines have gone to the crapper.........sorry, guys; I'll be more conscientious.

[Bball Girl]

Good defensive battle at the half. Tech 27 Kansas State 26
only 5 turnovers combined for the two teams

Scottie Yarborough...my least favorite official :mad:

[YCN]

It's now or never for Tech, down 55-53 with 7.1 seconds left.

[YCN]

Major league uipset in Lubbock. Wow, I sure didn't think they could do that. The Big 12 North is representing itself well this year.

[Bball Girl]

Congrats KSU on a hard fought, defensive struggle!

[Jimi]

How SWEET it is!!

Another you hate to see either team lose game.

GO BIG 12!!

[swok34]

Dang........those purple people eater people have learned to play defense..... :D

Is this the first time KSU has won in Lubbock?

[Jimi]

KSU beat Tech at home once before, but it was back in SWC - Big Eight days. This is the first in B-12 play.

[AngelSong20]

Ah well.... I guess if we have to lose a game, I'd rather lose to another top 25 team by 2 on a last second shot when we're obviously not playing our B game. Good game to KState, just goes to show that no game is safe in the Big 12 because every team can have off days. Ah well, we'll come back better than ever -- and 3 losses by a grand total of 6 points all on last second shots still doesn't shine too dim :)

[Jimi]

Coach Etheridge says the kids won't need a plane to fly home.

[swok34]

Coach Etheridge says the kids won't need a plane to fly home.

LOL.....Jimi.....Huge congrats to Kansas State. I sure felt for Ernie Grant though. :( I wanted OT.

[AngelSong20]

B/c the refs are going to carry them there too? Oh, I get it, you mean they're excited about the win.

[DblT81]

Well, I just got a double whammy after working some volunteer hours today, I get home to find out Tech lost and my VCR didn't record either game. :(

I'm going to go take a nap. I have a headache.

Congrats to the Cats. Must have been a heck of a game.

[dem]

Congratulations to Kansas State, and I hope you settle back and enjoy this great victory for a while. Kick back, relax, take a breather for a few days -- say, until around Wednesday morning.

(Meanwhile, I have this vision of Kendra Wecker back in the armory, sharpening swords and polishing armor, pacing the floor like a tiger waiting to pounce, counting down the minutes until the Iowans step on her floor . . .)

[swok34]

Well, I just got a double whammy after working some volunteer hours today, I get home to find out Tech lost and my VCR didn't record either game. :(

I'm going to go take a nap. I have a headache.

Congrats to the Cats. Must have been a heck of a game.

Dblt........I taped the TTU/KSU game; 3-5 pm Sat falls into my weekend nap pattern;) I didn't tape the UT/BU game though. If you want this copy, I'll gladly send it to you.

[TexasLR]

K-state played awesome today! Way to go! .......... But I thought the players were incredibly rude. After they won tech was trying do their school song and Kstate was all over the flloor and taunting the tech fans by waving their hands. Sure they were exited, but they should be embarraced for themselves. Who do i 'dislike' worse now. Texas? or Kstate?

[Jennifer]

K-state played awesome today! Way to go! .......... But I thought the players were incredibly rude. After they won tech was trying do their school song and Kstate was all over the flloor and taunting the tech fans by waving their hands. Sure they were exited, but they should be embarraced for themselves. Who do i hate worse now. Texas? or Kstate?

Please--they were excited by winning in one of the toughest places to win in college WBB. Cut these 18-22 year olds some slack. That's a pretty mild offense for the word 'hate'.

[Marlene]

I understood through the after game interview on radio with Kamie Ethridge that Marsha was upset after the game. Don't know for sure what that was all about...evidently Sharp felt KSU engaged in excessive celebration. Ethridge said she really felt bad that Marsha was upset and that if KSU needed to apologize, they would.

I'm sure you know that our kids were really excited to win a game that, perhaps, few, if any, thought they could win. Tech's court is the only floor that our seniors had not won on. Excessive (?) celebrations do not occur against rinky-dink opposition. Tech should regard it as a measure of the respect that our team and we fans have for you! :) Also, this victory is probably the first one we've had against a top ten team on the road. We have really good kids (as do you) and I'm positive they meant no disrespect.

Anyway, TexasLR, you all have a terrific team and this Big 12 is going to be a wild battle to the end. I just hope we're there at the end; I'm fairly certain you will be. We have a really tough turnaround to battle ISU Tuesday night in Manhattan.

Someone on an earlier post and thread said that Mahoney would be the wild card today. 10 points; 11 rebounds, great defense....pretty good wild card! :) Kendra didn't shoot her usual great game..no doubt, in part, because of Tech's defense. But as terrific players are wont to do, she hit huge shots when needed. Koehn's 3's were BIG. :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: (5 wildcats for the seniors: Madden, Domenico, Koehn, Wecker, Mahoney)

[TexasLR]

kstate will go far this year. Truthfully I overlooked them. I hope K-state will beat Baylor and TExas to help us tech people :D

[Marlene]

We really do want to help you out! If we can beat Baylor and Texas for you, would that suffice as an apology??? :D

[TexasLR]

HEck yah! in that case go K-state! :ksu:

[elfdenmom]

It hurts to say this, but KSU played better than we did and deserved the win. :( We were flat from the get-go and never played with our usual fire. Both KSU and Tech played great defense. KSU played better offense. Congratulations to Koene. She really had only two open looks the entire game, but everything she threw up went in the hole, and our girls were missing from point blank range. :oo

[wbbcatfan]

I wasn't at the game so don't know how obnoxious they were but from knowing this group I'd be shocked if they were doing much more than running around and waving to the crowd as they do on a regular basis in Bramlage. Maybe they thought they were in Bramlage South with such a great crowd :). Kamie did say after the game that in no way does she want Marsha or the Tech fans to think that K-State has anything but the greatest respect for their team and their program. I'm sure whatever the situation the coaches will address the issue if there is one. I'm really getting to old for these types of games but have a feeling it ain't over yet. This really was great win for this team. Patterson was able to get the monkey off her back of not being able to win in Lubbock and the team finally beat a top 10 team in a hostile environment!

[Jimi]

I'd hate to ruffle the Lady Raider's feathers very much. A rematch at the B-12 tourney is a good possibility.

What I liked most about this game is that on a day when a whole lot went wrong for both teams NOBODY backed off. They just fought it out to the end.

I do agree about Erin Grant but remember she has given us lots of fits. That sweet faced little gal can flat out play.

[elfdenmom]

Nobody at Tech objected to the celebration immediately following the game. That was merited and expected. It was a hard fought, down to the last shot battle between two good teams.

It is flattering that KSU is so thrilled about beating us on our own floor. However, to continue the celebration long after the congratulatory lineup was excessive. That belonged in the locker room.

To say these were just young kids excited about an unexpected win is not accurate. KSU is, I believe, defending Big XII champion. The team has five seniors, 1 junior, 2 sophomores, and 3 freshmen. They have been there before. Tech has 1 senior, 3 juniors, 3 sophomores, and 6 freshmen.

No one is complaining about the KSU win. They earned it! However I am personally disappointed that a coach whom I have always respected as a fine coach and good sportswoman should have allowed this to happen.

Quite frankly, if the shoe had been on the other foot, I do not believe that our team would have been permitted to behave in this way.

[Bball Girl]

When the band tried to play the alma mater, KSU including the coaches started chanting "K-S-U." and essentially were keeping the Tech players from standing at mid-court. That's not the most classy thing to do....they could have taken it to the locker room.

But having said that...no hard feelings from me. It happens. We all remember KMR during the OSU game and Tech's had a few momemts...

Wecker welll...is Wecker and I thought she made the difference. I thought our difference maker Erin Grant was going to pull it out into OT...but it just didn't happen. I did feel SO bad for Erin...she worked so damn hard :(

Swok told me that Tech was going to win by a bunch, but I wasn't convinced. I know KSU struggled early on but I think they are one of the more underrated teams around and they showed why today.

Not to tick off any other fans, but I'd rather lose to KSU than OSU any day...

Congrats on taking one in Lubbock.

[Jimi]

And congrats to the Lady Raiders for their great season, their class and being a very mentally tough team.

I know quite a few of the K-State folks and I too, can't imagine any offense was intended. That does not mean it did not happen. Good luck LR's!

[Guns Up!]

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaw/recap;_ylc=X3oDMTBpY3E1NTBnBF9TAzk1ODYyMzQ4BHNlYwN 0aA--?gid=200501220592&prov=ap

"The Wildcats celebrated the win by their bench as the Texas Tech school song was being sung and Tech players and Sharp stood at the center of the court. Sharp called it ``not very classy'' for the Wildcats to stay on the court to celebrate."

Patterson said she and her team were not aware that the song was playing.

"Obviously it was an emotional victory for us and our senior class,'' Patterson said. ``I want to publicly apologize sincerely for any offense that coach Sharp and her staff may have taken.''

[Marlene]

Much to my dismay, I wasn't in attendance at today's game....stayed home and watched it on tv. However, I did attend KSU's game in Lubbock two years ago. We played terrible (couldn't even hit a free throw) and got the stuffing kicked out of us (and that was despite having our wonderful All American Nicole Ohlde). We followed up that performance with a close repeat a week or so later in Dallas at the Big 12 tournament when Tech beat us again. The news media has, on occasion, picked on our kids about not being able to "win the Big One." No doubt, memories of these events contributed to our kids' celebration.

At Lubbock I was by myself, wearing a purple KSU sweatshirt. I was completely surrounded by a bunch of ladies wearing Tech colors who were Tech fans. They treated me wonderfully well....before, during and after the contest. Really a bunch of nice people and good sports. :ttu:

[AngelSong20]

Well, it looks like Tech's Achilles heel is obvious now after two pretty much identical games against VT and KSU. Apparently our shooting percentage, especially on those short little jumpers and layups, is drastically affected by tackles and arm holds. Of course, it doesn't hurt when the refs decide not to call double dribble and traveling, another thing that always seems to benefit the other team more than Tech. But somehow Greenwalt, Dabbs, and Robertson are going to have to learn to adjust for the extra weight of another player on their arms and hanging on their bodies. Of course, in the NCAA tourney, the refs are paid to actually watch the game, so maybe we can hope for better results there.

[DBLTFarmer]

The Good was Kansas States play. Tech had several opportunities to open this game up and get a pretty good lead. Tech would miss point blank opportunities then K-State would go down and make a big play on offense. K-State came out ready to play and played through Tech's tough defense. They found ways to score while Tech missed a bunch of chippies and short jumpers. Congrats K-State

The BAD, Techs shooting. Tech missed so many opportunities today. They missed short jumpers, putbacks, layups, and wide open opportunities. The defense played well enough to win but the offense didn't.


The UGLY, The officials. I will give credit where it is due and K-State played and adapted to the way the officials called the game. K-State was putting bodies on Tech and the official were not calling it. I knew at about 9;00 to play that this probably wouldn't turn out well for Tech. At that point I turned to MrsFarmer and told her that K-States 8 fouls to Tech's one would not continue. That foul count would end up much closer at the end of the game.

Congrats again to K-State, Now go out and beat Iowa State, Texas, and Baylor. But don't forget to lose one along the way. :rolleyes:

[nativetechsan]

What took place today after the game was the difference between a team from a Nationally respected program, a Hall of Fame Coach, a top 25 ranking every week since 1992, A National Championship banner, over 100 BIG XII Conference wins, 3 BIG XII Conference Championships (one shared), numerous NCAA Tournament wins and an opposing team with a solid Coach, one shared BIG XII Conferance Championship and a few NCAA Tournament appearances. There's winning...and then there's winning with CLASS. Unfortunately, the KSU women have a great deal more to learn about the latter.

[YCN]

C'mon. Deb Patterson gave an apology, and it appears there was some misunderstanding. It's not like KSU plays at Tech three times a year. They play once every other year, and they were caught up in the emotions of a huge win.

This board is not supposed to be about bickering and put-downs of the teams in this conference. It is supposed to be supportive. It's enough to make note of a team's indiscretion and then see what happens.

It's not supportive to pile on, and if class is demanded of a visitor that wins in your house, then the best remedy is payback the next time you meet. So mark your calendar and hope that Tech gets to play KSU in KC.

Then you can show class if you win there.

[35TangoTango]

What took place today after the game was the difference between a team from a Nationally respected program, a Hall of Fame Coach, a top 25 ranking every week since 1992, A National Championship banner, over 100 BIG XII Conference wins, 3 BIG XII Conference Championships (one shared), numerous NCAA Tournament wins and an opposing team with a solid Coach, one shared BIG XII Conferance Championship and a few NCAA Tournament appearances. There's winning...and then there's winning with CLASS. Unfortunately, the KSU women have a great deal more to learn about the latter.

That's pretty damn elitist!!

I've heard things from Tech posters that don't reflect well at all. Too good to be referred to by the Tech Red Raider name, posters not giving props to a good KSU team (yes you, AngelSong), and now offended because the Wildcat girls didn't worship properly at the shrine.

There's also losing...and then losing with CLASS. :rolleyes:

[hornhooks]

Congrats to KState and their big win in Lubbock. I am mighty glad the Horns got their two road trips out of the way to Baylor and TTech. I have nothing but respect for Patterson and I think the team celebrated because it was a huge road win. I think it's just as classless for Tech to 'call out' these young women after a loss. You want disrespect....try this.....Scott hitting a trey as time expired in the first half and she glared at the end zone crowd and flashed a downward hook 'em Horns sign as she ran off the court. Another example....Baylor fans turning their backs to the courts in our house when the TEXAS team is being introduced.

The league just became a wide open race.

Hook 'em.....

[Bball Girl]

Scott Yarborough is one of my LEAST favorite officials because it's usually a foul fest. But I thought they let them play today. While there are ALWAYS some calls I don't like...I thought Tech did plenty of their own banging around a few times with no calls or calls that went against KSU.

The officiating was not the difference in the game...Wecker and the lack of consistent post play by Tech was the difference and the heart breaking 3's by Koehn.

NativeTechsan - we have a lot of KSU fans here on this board and darn nice people if I do say so myself. While the celebration was excessive today and should have been taken in the locker room, I put it down to euphoria and not a lack of class on the part of KSU coaches and players. They were not "taunting" us like a few players we've had beat us in the USA. They were caught up in their own excitement and oblivious to what was going on around them.

In the post game interview Wecker was so very complimentary toward the Tech players and the FANS!

Move on...it's a game, we lost, we deserved to lose. K-State deserved to win.

[nativetechsan]

soonerman,...don't really think "elitist" applies here. A quote from Rush is much more appropriate: "It's not bragging if you can do it!"

[elfdenmom]

I agree. KSU won the game. We lost. Tomorrow is another day. Let us move on.

[nativetechsan]

elfden, I agree...and beat Missouri!

[Jennifer]

Scott hitting a trey as time expired in the first half and she glared at the end zone crowd and flashed a downward hook 'em Horns sign as she ran off the court. Another example....Baylor fans turning their backs to the courts in our house when the TEXAS team is being introduced.
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I think people are just oversensitive, in both the K-state celebration and the above mentioned 'incidents'. Playing any sport involved lots of emotion and to call kids classless because they get caught up in a moment is nuts. ANd yes, though KSU has several seniors, they are still young. It's not like they are doing fake 'moons' ala Randy Moss (which I didn't think was that big of a deal either, but I guess my skin is a bit thicker than most).

[AngelSong20]

Not giving props to a good KState team? I think I said congratulations in my first post, we didn't bring our best game and they took advantage of it. I don't see this as a game that KState won, but rather as a game Tech lost. When you hold the opposing team to 55 points at home, you should win that game. Period. Especially when you've been averaging over 70 and close to 50% shooting percentage.

So then I ask myself, why didn't Tech make the shots this time? And I don't see the reason as a really tough defense. No, we didn't get all the open looks we're used to, but anyone watching the game could see that our outside shooters were just off. Dabbs missing 8 shots? On a normal day, she drains at least half of those. And if you think that Greenwalt wasn't getting the short end of the no-calls in the paint, you need to have your eyes re-examined. There were times you couldn't see her jersey for the KState player, but no foul.

There was a point at which the foul count in the second half was 8-1 KState. From that point on, only 1 more foul was called on the KState, and Tech made 3 of its last 13 shots. I would argue that those two stats are intimately related.

Give props to a good team? When you have an off-shooting day helped along by the absence of officiating and lose by two on a last second shot, that's not getting beat by the better team. That's letting one get away that you shouldn't have.

[Jennifer]

I don't see this as a game that KState won, but rather as a game Tech lost. When you hold the opposing team to 55 points at home, you should win that game. Period. Especially when you've been averaging over 70 and close to 50% shooting percentage.

This can be rephrased to say "When you are on the road in a tough arena and hold the home team to 53 points, you should win the game. Period."

Kansas State did.


Give props to a good team? When you have an off-shooting day helped along by the absence of officiating and lose by two on a last second shot, that's not getting beat by the better team. That's letting one get away that you shouldn't have.

Sour grapes.

[AngelSong20]

I'll admit that I don't like losing any more than the next person, but what part of my post are you contesting by saying "sour grapes"? Are you trying to argue that Tech didn't have an off-shooting day? Surely you're not trying to defend the absence of foul calls in the paint?

[walkaway]

Upstairs directly above the student section, I honestly did not find the refs as bad today as some I've seen -- this season, even. Losing at home sucks. Period. Losing at home to KSU, however, doesn't suck nearly as bad as would, say, losing to OSU in our house this year. That could happen, too. I hope it does not. But, if the refs were to be as bad that day as today's are claimed to have been ... it's possible.

Look, K-State won. By a bucket. In a game that never saw a double-digit lead for either team, and had six ties in the second half. But the most important stat in any game is the one at the end, marked "final score."

So their seniors flipped over a big win on the road, and a share of 2nd place in the league. Give 'em that, and I wish 'em joy of it: they have to play Iowa State Wednesday night. (Last time a Big 12 team pulled off a win they felt worthy of so huge a celebration was ... oh, yeah: last week, when Nebraska beat Baylor. Since then, Nebraska's not won as many games as Baylor.) No matter who wins that game, if Tech beats Missouri at the USA, Tech gains.

[Bball Girl]

Thanks Walkaway good post!

[wbbcatfan]

As far as Tech not having a good shooting night, neither was this a typical shooting night for the Wildcats. Wecker missing all of her shots behind the arc is very uncharacteristic. Both teams missed their share of open looks but that is just the natural result of knowing from previous attempts that someone must be close and going to shove this shot down my throat. I think the kudos need to go to both teams playing very aggressive all out defense. Here is a link to Mechelle Voepel's take on the game and the activities following: http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascitystar/sports/10710576.htm

[hornhooks]

...I agree with Michelle Voepel's assessment of the celebration by KState as being a 'bizarre over-reaction' on the part of Sharp. I just watched the replay this a.m. on FSN and what I saw was a 'huddled' celebration and not one of running around the court and being disrespectful to the home team. They were happy and were sharing hugs with family members. To quote the Dallas Morning News....'Sharp glared at KState during the celebration and spoke to Kamie Etheridge after the game and said she thought KS should have run off the floor to the locker room. She was still fuming afterwards'. Not that my opinion matters....but I'll have to go with KState on this one. Didn't see anything inappropriate by the 'cats.

[Gator]

I'll admit that I don't like losing any more than the next person, but what part of my post are you contesting by saying "sour grapes"? Are you trying to argue that Tech didn't have an off-shooting day? Surely you're not trying to defend the absence of foul calls in the paint?

Interesting: Tech shot 36.2% FG from a average of 46.2 and KSt shot 36.7% from an average of 44.8. I would say both had off FG shooting days.

KSt got 38.5% of their 3's from an average of 40% for conference play. Tech only attempted 4 3's so their 25% success rate from an average of 38% is not significant.

That seems to leave the contention that the refs decided the game. If that is so, I am quite sure Marsha will take the proper action through the proper channels. I personally don't buy it but am the first to admit that I am not an expert on what should and should not be called a foul or how tightly/loosely a game should be called. And, from listening to fans around me at games, am very sure that 99% of us fans aren't terribly knowledgeable on this topic and the more emotionally invested the fan is in the game, the lower their refereeing IQ seems to be
:cool:

[wwi_flying_ace_17]

I can understand why Sharp would have been ticked off. I guess I am not sure if there is proper etiquette after a game, but even if KSU was staying by the visitors bench, I can see where she is coming from. It was a game TT should have won, some things did not go their way, and it was a home loss. That had to get under her skin.

If KSU was just hugging each other and their parents in the stands, that's not too bad. If they started chanting something while TT was playing the school song (I have heard conflicting reports--some fans are reporting it, but I don't think it has been mentioned in the newspaper articles), that would have been over the top.

[Bball Girl]

...I agree with Michelle Voepel's assessment of the celebration by KState as being a 'bizarre over-reaction' on the part of Sharp. I just watched the replay this a.m. on FSN and what I saw was a 'huddled' celebration and not one of running around the court and being disrespectful to the home team. They were happy and were sharing hugs with family members. To quote the Dallas Morning News....'Sharp glared at KState during the celebration and spoke to Kamie Etheridge after the game and said she thought KS should have run off the floor to the locker room. She was still fuming afterwards'. Not that my opinion matters....but I'll have to go with KState on this one. Didn't see anything inappropriate by the 'cats.


Dang I swore I wasn't going to continue this, but here I go.

Hornhooks I find your comments to be HYPROCRITCAL at best...considering that you've already griped about a Baylor players merely flashing the "Horns Down" sign and the students turning their back on the Texas team. Big deal...that happens all the time at ALL of our arenas.
However, if Baylor won in Austin and the Baylor players "celebrated" during the Eyes of Texas and flashed"horns down"...you'd be raising hell.

Coach Sharp has VERY high principles and takes graciousness very, very seriously perhaps to a fault, but it's not bizarre for her.

[swok34]

Dang I swore I wasn't going to continue this, but here I go.

ditto........who was the poster a week or so ago that mentioned something about a team getting "too high" or "too low" at this point in the season?

[wbbcatfan]

The reactions and emotions of losing a tough game on your home court are not unusual for hard core fans. This was just another step in making progress towards the "P" word (parity) in Women's BBall. If we really want to see parity in this game the days of home court dominence year after year is nearing an end. Road wins this year even against a bottom tier team need to be relished as an accomplishment. Protecting the homecourt is critical, but it would not suprise me if there is any team in the conference that can finish without a home court loss.

[elfdenmom]

Bball Girl, Coach Sharp does take courtesy seriously. She believes in things like thanking people for support, community service, and writing thank you notes, etc.

I like that about her. I like it when people hold open doors for me and say "Yes Mam and Yes Sir" to their elders and show repect for the feelings of others. I feel this world would be a lot better place if people treated each other with courtesy and civility. Of course I belong to an older generation, and Marsha is much younger than I, but everyone knows how far behind the times we are in West Texas...Thank God! ;)

[hornhooks]

It is your opinion to agree to disagree. However, I did NOT write the colomn....M. Voepel did. I simply stated that after watching the game....I saw nothing wrong. I also don't recall 'griping' about what Baylor did in our house yesterday. Just stated facts. I could have said something about the taunts and insults thrown towards Jody and team as they headed into the tunnel at USA at halftime and at the end of the game. The words are not fit for this board. Food for thought.....if KState did react in a disrespectful manner...it probably was not directed to Sharp and team, but to the fans at USA and I'll leave it at that.

Hook 'em!!

[JohnHenry]

Nobody ran around the USA with "guns down" or taunted the Tech fans. Sharp and her team were understandably disappointed, KSU players were understandably stoked. That was a huge win for them. I think Sharp's reaction was a bit uncharacteristic, but I can imagine her frustration after a game that Tech let slip through their fingers in their own house - it stings, I know. Everyone should just take it all with a grain of salt and try to put yourselves in the other gal's shoes for a minute. Then, let it go. There's a lot of basketball yet to be played.

Meanwhile, Tech's aura of recent invincibility has been shattered, and K-State has given themselves an enormous confidence boost heading into their rematch with ISU at Bramlage. For the Lady Raiders, this was the kind of loss ( like Texas's loss to Rutgers) that can really damage a teams' psyche and make them question themselves. I trust that Marsha has the right prescription to heal them and move on. I said last week that Tech seems like the kind of team that can keep an even keel over the course of the season even when things don't go well. I still think that is true but we'll see how they respond after this loss. Fortunately, Tech's schedule gives them a pair of relative cupcakes this week (Mizzou at home, and @A&M) to get it back together before Baylor and ISU come calling the week after.

The 'Cats, however, must consolidate their gains immediately vs. the Cyclones this Wednesday before heading to Boulder and Waco after that. The plot thickens...

Re: officiating
I watched the 2nd half live and taped the 1st. As a neutral observer, I didn't see the refs hampering either team much more than the other, and if anyone could be said to have gotten the short end of the stick, it was K-State - which is par for the course as they were playing on the road. Regardless, whining about physical play in this league is like being outraged that the sun came up this morning.Tech simply lost their groove against consistent defensive pressure and choked when they had opportunites (which were numerous) to put KSU away. Hell, Shanna Wheeler played the last 5 minutes or so with 4 fouls, and Tech didn't have the presence of mind to go right at her until they got her out of there.

In any event, Tech gives as good as they get defensively and always have. Ask LaToya Davis, who bodies up as well as anyone in the Big 12, or her proteges Darrice Griffin and Erin Myrick. Hell, one of the main reasons Cisti is lighting it up this year is that she has finally come around to playing the rough and tumble game in the paint night in and night out.

When you have a bad shooting day, you'd better be that much tougher on defense, and the Lady Raiders were. But Tech let K-State hang around, and Kendra Wecker made them pay. Period. I wouldn't get too worked up about it - it's happened to pretty much every team in the Big 12 over the last 4 years. Kendra does that sort of thing. Join the club. Give the Wildcats credit for playing tough in a tough room and seizing a huge opportunity, and let's move on...

[hornsofthedillema]

Welcome to the club of most UT fans on this board. Yes, it's a great board for finding our more about the Big XII women's teams and as long as a Texas fan doesn't disagree with certain opionions, he or she can probably interact without being slammed. However, except for a few exceptions (Carolann and John Henry are two that come to mind) Texas fans are held to the stereotype of being arrogant, rude, and not knowledgable about anyone else's team. UT fans generally activate the defenses of several other team fans just by stating our allegiences. We are assumed to be trying to stir things up and be difficult when other team posters are just stating an opinion.

Many of us are now very reluctant to post here. Just a word of warning.

[JohnHenry]

...it's not as bad as all that. We're Texas and we wear a big target on our backs. Accept it as a sign of respect for our school and athletics programs. I've always found that here, if you're respectful, talk basketball, and try to keep it all in perspective and you'll find this board to be one of the best around. I've seen very little if any overtly anti-Texas ranting here in the 2 years i've been posting on this board; most of the posters here have a sense of humor and take any "arrogance" on my part the way it's intended.

Folks on this board come here to get away from the "so-and-so's fans are the rudest i've ever seen" smack-treadmill BS that plagues so many forums out there.

So, for the millionth time: every school has rude and disrespectful fans. Every school has kind, decent, respectful fans who will treat you well in their house and buy you a beer win or lose. 18-24 year-old athletes get excited when they win big games, and get frustrated when they lose. They, and we, are all human beings who make mistakes and react poorly to some things on occasion. The world is round and the sky is blue, and this is a great game and we all love it and want to see our team succeed.

'Twas ever thus.

:ut:

[techlrfanatic]

JohnHenry: What section on the arena were you sitting in?

[JohnHenry]

Well, yesterday at the Drum I was in the South O-Zone, Section 28. Why?

[ChipperF1]

"Many of us are now very reluctant to post here. Just a word of warning.

Reluctant? This is news to me.

The main reason I've heard for people not wanting to come here was because, "People at Hoopscoop.net are too nice and don't have opinions." (actually said to me by a Boneyarder I know.)

Texas fans? Arrogant? Absolutely. ;)
But I have yet to see rudeness or lack of knowledge at least not from around here.

I have a feeling this is just one of those things that have to do with how the written word can be misunderstood.

You can read some posts around here and maybe think, "oh god, he or she must be a real jerkoff."

But the cool thing about this spot? For the most part, people here are average folks who just have a passion for this game and they are genuining good folks.

Anybody who is "reluctant" about the folks 'round here. I challenge you to meet some of these folks in person when you get a chance. You'll meet some of a nicest darn folks you'll want to meet and you'll get a very different perspective.

In some way, you'll find it changes the way you post. It did for me, when I went to the Big 12 tournament last year.

When I was on plane heading to Dallas, I had a little bit of fear in possibly running into some of the other posters. With some good reason. On some of my posts I can come across as a real SOB. I can come across is arrogant, mean, etc.

I know that coming in, I was sizing up some of the folks based on their written words. My dear friend Jonathan, and meeting Soonerman comes to mind. My first thought honestly was, "How will JohnHenry and I share the same space?" Nebraska stubborness and Texas arrogance is rather volatile.

But you know something? Yeah, JohnHenry bleeds that burnt orange. You know what else? He's a husband. He's a dad, and he's good guy. Oh, I'll still walk by with "horn's down" and a smile, but I also respect and like the guy. Sometimes, a post around here doesn't tell the whole story at all.

Same thing with Sooner or Swok, or elfdenmom (who I was really afraid to meet at first because to her I was sure I was equal to Satan. ;)), or Zo or mc, or ISU3ptland (who I met a few years before).

I think its just a matter of be careful who you flame, someday the Good Lord might see fit that you meet that person.

Now on the Marsha Sharp "issue"? I saw the end of the game. I think Marsha probably responded out of frustration over the losing the ballgame than anything else. I think ever human being gets frustrated. I get frustrated over the results of the game, and I just watch it. I'm sure a coach who has a livelyhood invested in these young people will get frustrated.

I think sometimes we all get a little oversensitive and had nothing to do with the act, but something else. So we get a little defensive about a lil' ol trashtalking or at innocent act or whatever. It's a rock, chalk, pick and rool at the end of the day.

A good friend of mine always told me. "Enjoy the season. Win or lose, enjoy the season."

Now of course, I often forget that, but that is what sports fans do. ;)

[Jimi]

I have to cut Coach Sharp and the LR fans a little slack. Last year at Kansas State the celebration for wrapping up the B-12 co-championship and the hanging of Nicole Ohlde's jersey started RIGHT after the game and was insensitive as far as I was concerned. No offense was meant I'm sure, but nonetheless it happened. There were the LR's waiting to go through a normal post game congrats line etc. and instead they get drenched in confeti and disregarded like yesterdays paper. Again no offense intended and in fact the whole deal started before it was intended to start, but still it happened. Then she saw what to her was K-State was being disrepectful again after the game in her house. I can see it bugging her and I can understand loyal LR fans coming are coming to her defense.

Besides, the LR's don't have much practice losing conference games in Marsha's house. I think they are something like 83 and 8 there. Then to lose to a relative newbie team who does not even know your traditions could be irritating. My guess is Coach Sharp and the team are thinking about the next game and not any real or percived slight by Kansas State by now. I can promise you Iowa State has the focus of the Wildcats, not any PUI from the Texas Tech game.

[Bball Girl]

I could have said something about the taunts and insults thrown towards Jody and team as they headed into the tunnel at USA at halftime and at the end of the game. The words are not fit for this board. Food for thought.....if KState did react in a disrespectful manner...it probably was not directed to Sharp and team, but to the fans at USA and I'll leave it at that.

Then those people are NOT my kind of fans and frankly anyone who makes taunts around me hears about it from me and if they keep it up, they get threatened with being reported to an usher and they ususally shut up. I don't get a flip who were are playing...I don't want to hear it.

However, it happens in every DAMN arena in the Big12 not just at the USA and it does happen to other teams besides Texas...'Hornhooks'...it happens to the Lady Raiders when they travel to Austin too. Who the hell knows that the students were yelling at the KSU players yesterday, but I'm sure it wasn't nice. I know there are little old ladies who track the Longhorns down in the mall and say rude things to them.

They are ALL jerks and not worth my time or your time.

[techlrfanatic]

JohnHenry: From your post I assumed you were at the USA to see what the KState players did or didnot do. As far as the incident goes, the KSU coach apologized(and she should have), and while I can't speak for anyone else, thats good enough for me.

[DBLTFarmer]

I have avoided this issue about the KSU celebration after the game. There seems to be some speculation about what really happened. I was there and I will give my birds eye view of the account. I will be as unbiased as possible.

At the end of the game, the KSU players on the floor jumped up and celebrated and ran to their bench. There the celebration started. They were jumping around and then lined up for the post game handshakes. They went right back to their bench and began celebrating again with their fans. Tech went to mid court as they always do and raised their guns up for the Matador song(the school song). As the band began playing the KSU team and fans began a KSU chant. They continued this through the Matador song.
When the KSU team finally left the floor they made some hand gestures to the crowd while the crowd was booing them as they left the floor.

Now for my commentary, KSU played a heck of a game. Tech had lots of opportunities to blow the game open but just couldnt hit the little chippies. KSU adapted and Tech didnt. As for the post game celebration. Can you say respect and common sense?? KSU did not show either. Deb Patterson did show it in the post game press conference with her apologies and I am sure most Tech fans appreciated it. I'm sure that KSU's celebration during Tech's school song was not premeditated. One final thought, with all that is going on in todays sports and society, you would think that one assistant coach or trainer from the visiting team would have the responsibility of knowing what happens pre game and post game when visiting an opponents gym. Who knows what happened here. What I do know that is Marsha Sharp was very upset. I have never seen her get upset in situations like. Tech has seen situations similar and she did'nt get that upset. During games sure but not post game.

When Tech still played in the bubble a similar situation occurred when Tech was upset by Stanford. Stanfords band and mascot were there. They continued to play their fight song and the Tree danced center court after the game.

To me people just are not using common sense anymore. You see it everyday. The smart thing to do is staring them in the eyes but they do something else.

Again, congratulations KSU for a hard fought win.

[Aspen1]

I have read several 'eyewitness' accounts of what happened after the game - and most of them mention that the KSU players used 'hand gestures' to the TT fans. Were the players giving the finger to the crowd? If so, I would think that there should be some sort of discipline dealt out to Coach P and her players. That is totally uncalled for - no excuse for that kind of behavior. I have heard about and actually witnessed Kendra Wecker using the "f" word to opposing players on the court. Maybe I'm being naive but there is no place for that kind of behavior in women's basketball.

[35TangoTango]

To Aspen 1: "Guns up" is also a hand gesture. (As would be Guns down).

The Tech crowd has a history of razzing the opponent's bench during games (remember OU and Coach Coale responding with blowing kisses at the students?). If you're going to do that, you have to live with a response.

Also, if your going to start playing your alma mater while the other team is still on the floor, what do think they are going to do?

Tech is coming off (once again) as holier-than-thou here.

[AngelSong20]

I can't help but notice that the well-meaning people who are defending KState are judging from what they saw on TV. I watched the broadcast, and they cut to commercial before the school song ever began. So I would tend to trust the eyewitnesses over the ones who didn't notice anything out of the ordinary on the TV broadcast.

The perception of every Tech fan who was at the game (who has posted) differs drastically from what we are seeing here. According to eyewitnesses, the KState players and fans were cheering and screaming, etc. after the win. That's understandable. Then the band started playing the Matador Song, which as you know if you have heard it, has a very reverential feel to it. AFTER the song started, the KState COACHES began the K-S-U cheer, which continued through the entire Matador Song. Interesting that the cheer ended about the same time as the song isn't it?

As the team began to leave the court, the angry fans showered them with well-deserved boos. The response from PLAYERS, with coaches standing beside them, were one-finger salutes, and not Guns Up if you know what I mean. And Mechelle thinks that Coach Sharp's anger was bizarre? Sounds perfectly justified, and Coach Patterson obviously thinks so too judging from the public apology.

I don't think the coaches really realized what would be the effect of their actions. I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt, that it never entered their minds that their countercheer would be considered extremely offensive. I appreciate their apology, altho I will be looking for some response to the salutes as well. Hopefully this experience will teach KState something about class the next time they manage to win their personal NC :)

[YCN]

I'm at a loss to understand why the home team would be so anxious to play some traditional song while the opposing team was still at the side of the court. Is this a traditional thing to do? I think that the appropriate action would be to refrain from bleeding-heart school patriotism in front of opposing players and fans after the game, especially after a game that you LOST.

To me, the playing of that song while KSU was at the sidelines was every bit as antagonistic as anything that KSU might have done. It certainly seems provocative to me, but I guess I'm just an old school boy. I really wouldn't want my band playing a school song after a loss in front of the team that just came into our house and beat us.

But what is fascinating to me is how this type of discussion tends to almost always start with a favored home team losing a game. It seems to touch off some sort of bitterness nerve among the fans of those teams, as if such a thing was never supposed to happen. That's not why the games are played.

BTW, it is basketball games we are talking about here. You know, sports? It's supposed to be fun and an activity to enjoy. Why don't people treat it like that, rather than some microcosm of life?

[swok34]

To me, the playing of that song while KSU was at the sidelines was every bit as antagonistic as anything that KSU might have done.

YCN......OU does the same thing with the alma mater. And the OU girls don't leave the court until they've done it.....so, I think it's a matter of how quickly the visiting team leaves the court.....I don't recall the visiting teams hanging around long, myself.

Now, me personally..........either play the alma mater BEFORE the game OR AFTER the game......not twice as they do now.

[wwi_flying_ace_17]

To me, the playing of that song while KSU was at the sidelines was every bit as antagonistic as anything that KSU might have done.

YCN......OU does the same thing with the alma mater. And the OU girls don't leave the court until they've done it.....so, I think it's a matter of how quickly the visiting team leaves the court.....I don't recall the visiting teams hanging around long, myself.

Minnesota does something too, though I am not sure if it is a song or a cheer. I've never actually heard what it is, but their players line up to face the crowd following a game.

[ISUbballfan]

After reading this thread I was wondering what teams do after the game?

At Iowa State the girls huddle up in the middle of the court then they throw out signed mini basketballs then go in the locker room.

We have an alma mater song and a fight song. The Alma mater is only played at the begining of football games. Do all schools have 2 songs?

[swok34]

OU has a fight song and the alma mater.

So, are we in agreement that Marsha Sharp wins the glare award this week? :eek:

http://www.redraiders.com/images/012305/7036_512.jpg

[nativetechsan]

Coach Sharp may be glaring, but the KSU Coach is apologizing. One does not apologize unless one has done something wrong.

[hornsofthedillema]

UT has a fight song "Texas Fight" and a school song "The Eyes of Texas". We stay standing for the Eyes of Texas before the game (after the national anthem) before the team comes out when the players are introduced. At the end of the game the team goes to the middle of the floor and we sing "The Eyes of Texas" again. We do this win or lose.

Sometimes when we are on the road and there is a large group of fans, the team will face the fans and we'll sing the Eyes of Texas after the game. This is most often done on a neutral court (like at the Big 12 tourney). The team ususally gets off the floor ASAP on the road...again win or lose.

[DBLTFarmer]

Tech plays the fight song before the game and during the game. After every home game the Matador Song is played. It is the only time it is played at Lady Raider games. The tradition is that fans, alumni, and students get their Guns up for the playing of the Matador Song. The opening part of the song is a prelude and a sign to get your Guns Up.

[swok34]

Oops.........I was wrong about the coaches award this week.....

I think getting ejected from the arena warrants the award more than glares, jacket tossing or cleavage showing :D

Congratulations Connie Yori

[bigred]

For all the hoopla, excitement and big name players at KSU, they haven't had a lot of quality wins. Most of their seasons have ended in extreme failure.

Maybe they will surprise us this year! That was a big win, congrats to the seniors who played like seniors and wanted it, big time!

[35TangoTango]

The opening part of the song is a prelude and a sign to get your Guns Up.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Beerman]

Well, I guess I'll throw another "view" into the mix.

I was there. I sit next to the visitor's tunnel. HornHooks, if you sat there for the Texas game you may have sat next to me and my wife.

I thought the hand gestures I saw were pretty clever, actually. Some of the Cats made the "Guns" signs with both hands, then brought their index fingers to their mouth and blew.....like blowing the smoke of a gun barrel....as if to say those guns had been cooled off.

They also very well may have been going, "shhhh"

I thought the celebration was strange in that the players went into the stands and the KST fans and parents came to the bench to hug each other.

It was strange because you usually see the teams....home or visitors, greet their fans after coming back out from the locker room.

Tech does, win or lose, always remain at mid-court for the school song. It's understandable that they'd want to leave the court quickly after a loss but they don't do so until after the song. Any delay or interuption could easily be seen as bothersome.....especially when all you want to do is get to the locker room.

The men's team does not do this BTW.....only the LR's.

I understand the hurt feelings but I thought Marsha's reaction was a bit much and I think she just let the emotions of the frustrating loss get to her.

As for the officiating.....it was inconsistant at best and bad on both ends. What stands out to me is all the hand checking (with two hands) that goes unnoticed yet fouls are called when the arms are just straight in the air.

Tech's losses:

11/28
12/19
1/22

2/23 @ OU ???? :eek:

[two cents]

Oh, what the heck. I'll throw in my opinion. I realize it's probably not worth the couple of pennies I pretend it is. I saw an excited Wildcats team go through the post-game congratulatory paces. I saw a few players go into the visitor's section to celebrate with fans, family, and friends. I heard the players chant 'KSU'. It sounded like the kind of motivational chant a team might do in the locker room. It's unfortunate that it happened during our school song. I think they were oblivious to the song. I'm not sure they realized Tech's team was still on the court. I think they were in their own little world of euphoria. Ideally it wouldn't have happened, but it was, I believe, an unintended error in judgment. Kansas State players have endured some tough knocks, and I think they enjoyed a sense of triumph. It was not by any stretch of the imagination the worst sportsmanship I've seen during or after a women's basketball game.

I don't know for certain what Coach Patterson privately thinks about Marsha Sharp or the Tech program, but publicly I have never seen her refer to either in less than glowing terms. And her remarks have struck me as genuine. I think her apology was genuine as well.

I'm not sure why Coach Sharp reacted the way she did. Maybe Jimi's observation about last year's game has something to do with it. My perspective on the celebration pretty much jibes with that of Mechelle Voepel, but I'm not going to let Mechelle completely off the hook here. My point of view is just that as is Mechelle's. From center court, the noise of the celebration may have drowned out the song. I can see where that would be pretty irritating. Although I don't believe the KSU team would intentionally disrupt Tech's tradition, if they were disruptive, I think they needed to know that, especially if they plan on winning some more road games since Tech is not the only program with such a tradition.

If Coach Sharp had left the court without comment, it would have been a reasonable choice. I would never have thought anything more about the 'incident'. She chose to express her irritation to the KSU staff which also seems like a reasonable choice. I saw that she did it, and could tell that she was annoyed, but it was so low key that I still would have never thought more about it.

Except......somebody decided to make the 'incident' the centerpiece of the press conference. Why? I have absolutely no idea. Again, I don't share that point of view. I somehow doubt that Sharp would have mentioned the matter of her own accord. When asked she answered frankly, but she wasn't asked just one question on the topic, she was asked several. Why? No fight broke out between the teams. They performed the team handshake in good form. Coach Sharp didn't fly into a rant. She didn't run over to the sideline with her arms flailing, screaming at the top of her lungs. Her demeanor was stern but no more than that. No Kansas State coach responded with fury standing toe to toe with Sharp exchanging vitriol. The whole matter seemed utterly trivial from my point of view. I had already forgotten about it until the issue was raised during the press conference. I don't fault a reporter for curiosity. That's a requirement of the job. But why make it the focal point of the press conference after a good, closely contested game? Why make it a central feature of the story about the game? Now, I respectfully submit from my point of view that is a bizarre overreaction.

Either course of action Coach Sharp might have taken would have seemed reasonable to me, because I didn't experience the situation as she did. I don't have her perspective on it. I don't have Mechelle's perspective either, but I can speculate. She identifies with the Kansas State team. She has covered them closely and she has become attached to the players. I don't mind that one bit. It has added to the quality of the profiles she has written about them. I have immensely enjoyed reading her work. I was thrilled last year to write her name on JohnHenry's ballot in all caps with exclamation marks. She may have gotten caught up in the excitement of the victory by the team she covers most closely. Fair enough. She also may be unfamiliar with Tech's tradition and didn't notice the song being played. She might have wondered what had Coach Sharp so perturbed. When she heard the explanation, she may have felt a bit defensive on behalf of the players she respects greatly. Okay, looking at it this way, I can see where she is coming from. Maybe I overstepped a bit calling Mechelle's overreaction bizarre. I apologize for that comment.

It's just that in this instance, I think Mechelle has a duty to evaluate points of view other than her own as well. I don't expect her to be fully objective, but looking at the event from a broader perspective might have enabled her to see the whole thing as rather unimportant.

Deb Patterson apologized. As a fan, I appreciate that. Perhaps Marsha Sharp could admit to having overreacted a little. I suppose an apology by Mechelle Voepel also wouldn't be out of line either. Whether or not that is forthcoming, I will continue to read her columns with zeal because I enjoy the creative angles she brings to light. I just wish she hadn't been quite so creative from her perspective in this instance.

I still think the Kansas State coaching staff is honorable and dedicated to the growth of their players. I still think that team consists of a great bunch of kids. I still think Coach Sharp is a superb coach with a remarkably calm demeanor. I still think Mechelle Voepel is a tremendous asset to this sport. Sometimes after a long day, I reflect on how many mistakes I made before lunch. For me that can be a pretty humbling, even downright humiliating experience. It's just a darn shame that we're all human beings and have to live with making mistakes on a regular basis.

It's even more discouraging to admit that officials are also human, and I have to cut them a little slack too. ;)

[walkaway]

Michelle Voepel's OPINION is not worth my TIME and energy to read. Her behavior in the press conference was the most unprofessional, clearly biased incident I've ever seen a sportswriter pull. She acted like she thought she was Dan Rather getting after a Republican president, and it was uncalled for; her story, which I have not read and will not read, was clearly going to be written to pump controversy into something that was over and done with and to try to get MICHELLE VOEPEL herself props for her cleverness and courage in making a mountain out of a molehill. Yeah, I know she's national media. I know she's ESPN. I know she's "respected" and "highly thought of." I want her to know she flushed all that away Saturday. I know she's not interested in sportsmanship or the truth, too. Michelle Voepel thinks this story will get her a bigger or better rep and maybe a raise, when what it ought to get her is exactly the opposite. What bizarre overreaction of hers are we witnessing here? Why did she not want her precious KSU team's misbehavior mentioned?

/rant

KSU has been to the USA before. They know about the Matador song. It's played at the end of the game, win or lose. It's the way the Lady Raiders pay their respect to their alma mater.

On to the incident itself.

KSU beat Tech at home. It was the first time KSU has ever done that and it was the first time, according to VOEPEL herself, that KSU has beaten a top 10 team in three years. So it was a big deal for these seniors. Coach Patterson came out in the press conference and said they threw themselves a "National Championship caliber celebration." She also apologized.

I think at that point the incident should be considered closed.

[Guns Up!]

UT has a fight song "Texas Fight" and a school song "The Eyes of Texas". We stay standing for the Eyes of Texas before the game (after the national anthem) before the team comes out when the players are introduced. At the end of the game the team goes to the middle of the floor and we sing "The Eyes of Texas" again. We do this win or lose.

Surely Kamie Ethridge would remember this and realize what was going on. You think she would have gotten upset if something like this would have happened during her years at UT?

Also, Soonerman, what's up with your constant constipated post in this thread towards Tech?

[35TangoTango]

Also, Soonerman, what's up with your constant constipated post in this thread towards Tech?

Certain behaviors by Tech fans just particularly get under my skin... but that's my problem, and I apologize for repeating.

[swok34]

I guess I really don't understand what there is to be upset over what Mechelle Voepel wrote....

I find the article to be more about the game and only 2 short paragraphs about the celebration afterwards.

You know..........:ut: you better be careful Wednesday........these OU fans might be throwing cow dung before it's all over :eek:

[DblT81]

Thank you Two Cents, that is the best. I really appreciate what you posted.

[Gator]

Deb Patterson apologized. As a fan, I appreciate that. Perhaps Marsha Sharp could admit to having overreacted a little. I suppose an apology by Mechelle Voepel also wouldn't be out of line either....I still think the Kansas State coaching staff is honorable and dedicated to the growth of their players. I still think that team consists of a great bunch of kids. I still think Coach Sharp is a superb coach with a remarkably calm demeanor. I still think Mechelle Voepel is a tremendous asset to this sport....

I got more than 2 cents worth when I read this response and I feel like a nit picker but want to add:

Sharp didn't say anything publicly (except her glare spoke volumes) but Patterson's apology in the media room (graciously done) put it in the public arena. Sharp is nothing if not consistent and she expects a certain standard of behavior. When OU clinched the Big 12 championship in a home game vs TT, the balloons started falling while Sharp was walking off the floor. She was overheard telling the guard who was accompanying her that she found that unacceptable and she was obviously not at ALL happy about it. I assume she asked the guard to communicate her displeasure or communicated it herself to someone on the OU staff. However, it never became a public issue that I am aware of. I can't imagine that Sharp doesn't hold her own staff and arena management to the same standards when they win big games at home. Mechelle continues to be my favorite WBB writer. Although I really disagree with her use of the word bizarre, her primary audience when writing for the KC Star are folks who would be interested in her following up on what was behind Paterson's apology so I do not find it at all unusual for her to follow it up. I haven't read everything of her's on ESPN's web site but I assume, since no one here has referenced it, that she didn't comment on the issue there: ie, she considered it a local issue.

[elfdenmom]

Thank you two cents for your reasoned and reasonable evaluation of this "international incident".

[Guns Up!]

Well at least the other Big 12 members will know how to act when they come to Marsha's house after this!!! (Laugh, it's good for you!) :D

[Beerman]

Can't let this thread die just yet.....


Actually I wanted to say that I was very impressed with K State for staying out on the floor for the National anthem.

I don't understand why that's not the norm instead of the exception.

Way to go Cats! Good job! :)

[vickie1ok]

Oh, please!!! I've watched this thread without weighing in, but come on guys.

I think Marsha Sharp is as good as they get and I also think the TTU fans are at the top in the Big 12. The latter have definitely slipped in my estimation on this deal, and I hope you are exaggerating Marsha's reaction.

Look, I remember a few years ago when Baylor beat OSU in Stillwater in a nailbiter and KMR went bananas like her team had won the national championship. The local media poked (no pun intended) a little fun at her, not because of her emotions per se, but because she had barely beat a bad team. I think KSU's accomplishment last weekend was a little greater than that. ;)

KSU's action was like they hadn't been there before. However, it had nothing to do with who won or lost the game.

Lady Raider fans, I hope Marsha and her ladies are getting over this loss better than some of you are, because if they aren't, you won't have the luxury over whining about this loss for too long. Do yourselves a favor and get over it.

[Gummy]

Couple of thoughts after wading through everything:

1. I think this "incident" (which is nothing compared to the post-game "handshake" Missouri and Kansas had last year) was the result of two teams experiencing something out of the ordinary: for Tech a home Big 12 loss, and for K-State, a big-time road win. Can't fault either side for acting out of character, because the results were our of character. Cut Slack, Pt. I.

2. I agree with the earlier post about Voepel's writing being slanted toward KC/K-State fans. That just makes sense. I don't recall seeing many stories from an opposing team's location writing a whole lot about my team. Plus, the writers covering those teams know their players, coaches, history, philosophies, rationales, hopes, dreams, failures and successes much better than the other team's (if at all). Cut Slack, Pt. II.

3. Regardless of your views of how classy or classless these kinds of celebrations are, if you don't want them happening on your team's floor, there is one simple way to stop them: Win. It kinda reminds me of 70-7 football scores...

[walkaway]

Gummy,
If you don't mean six-man football scores ... we're in agreement.

If you do, I feel bad for the "7" team. But we still kinda agree.


I'm not a big fan of "run it up".

[Gummy]

I was thinking more along the lines of the OU-aTm variety (although I might have the score off a little. I know the final score was something along the lines of "too much" to "not enough").

[WildcatFan04]

Perfectly put Gummy. I hope this lays this matter to rest...

[dellboy1981]

It was 77-7, I believe.

You could have said something along the lines of 70-10 as well. ;)