Baylor vs Texas

[mred]

Texas us up double-digits early. Chanelle Fox for Baylor just hurt her knee and had to be carried off the court.

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[Roger B. Rowland]

Ten minutes into the game and Baylor is back within five points.

[YCN]

My oh my, this looks like it is going to be a cracker of a game!

At a timeout, UT 20, Baylor 17.

It looks to me like both teams are on, which is the kind of game that I hoped for and expected.

I love Big 12 women's hoops! (and men's too)

[Roger B. Rowland]

OH, here we go. 3:47 left in the first half and it is tied at 28 each.

[Roger B. Rowland]

A reversal, Baylor up 38 to 32 at half time.

[mred]

Yahoo lists the score as 38-32 with 14:30 left in the first half. It's an exciting game, but not <u>that</u> exciting. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif

[Roger B. Rowland]

Hmmm, seems like Texas was behind by five points at half time at Tenneessee. Are we in for a rerun?

[mred]

Originally posted by Roger B. Rowland:
Hmmm, seems like Texas was behind by five points at half time at Tenneessee. Are we in for a rerun?

Certainly not looking like it right now. Baylor is up big.

[Press]

Oooooomy! Sheila Lambert is starting to make Texas look much like Tech did. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/eek.gif

[mred]

And it's a final. Texas closed the gap at the end, but Baylor held them off.

[schooner2]

Was that not classic by the commentator on ESPN2? Texas is making a run in the closing minutes. They have Baylor trapped using a full-court press and the play-by-play guy starts shouting "They better get it over the line, 10 second rule, 10 second rule!" And then he corrected himself, "Oh, wait a minute there's not 10 second rule in women's basketball. Maybe I better do more research before my next assignment." I'm paraphrasing a little bit, but I keeled over laughing. How classic was that?!!

[mred]

I went through my required response to that: yelling "There's no 10-second rule in women's basketball!" a few times. I did that at the ISU-Marquette game when a Marquette fan was yelling for a 10-second call.

I really do wish there were a 10-second rule in women's basketball though. I really don't understand the rationale for not having one.

[Bball Girl]

Terrific job by Lambert! A couple more boards for a triple double..27 pts.

Good game by Screiber.

Congrats Lady Bears...isn't this your first sweep of Texas in a while?

[swok34]

wow, I was going to wait and watch the game in entirety, but then I got home and just had to check the score.........
still will go back and watch the entire game.

[Redbear]

Actually BU swept Texas last year also. Mulkey-Robertson is 4-0 over Texas.

[Bob_Ballew]

Great win for the Lady Bears! http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif Got a little nervous down the stretch. I didn't have any doubt early on when Texas was up on Baylor that the Bears would not come back. This is the first time I have seen Texas play at all this season. WOW! Stacy Stephens knows how to use her size to her advantage. If Texas would have gotten tougher inside early on, this game would have been much different. I feel bad for Chanelle Fox. I assume she tore her ACL. Been there, done that, don't ever want to do it again. Can't wait for the Big XII tournament!! http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif

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[mred]

Fox was obviously in great pain. If it wasn't the ACL, it was at least a bad sprain.

[Bob_Ballew]

The Baylor web site indicated that Fox had dislocated her kneecap and that she would miss three weeks. That is good news I guess.

The stats show that Baylor shot 51% from the field and Texas shot 36%. I thought Baylor's perimeter defense was very important in this game.

[mred]

Originally posted by Zo3157:
The Baylor web site indicated that Fox had dislocated her kneecap and that she would miss three weeks. That is good news I guess.


I'd consider it very good news. A dislocation can be extremely painful, but I don't imagine it'll affect her play much once she's healed.

Three weeks from today is the Big XII championship game, just to put perspective on her return timetable. I bet she'll do everything she can to be back for the tournament games. I doubt she'll be back for any more regular season games, as the final one (@ ISU) is 11 days away. Obviously, this is just a preliminary report though, and they may revise her estimated time of return.

Once again, I'd like to say how relieved I am that this wasn't more serious. Another serious knee injury is the last thing this conference (and this sport) needs. Here's my wish for a speedy recovery for Fox, although I wouldn't be brokenhearted if she can't be back for the ISU game. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif

[BEVOFAN2]

The ##$$!!***??? refs called 44 FOULS! Stephens got her 2nd VERY weak foul within 2 min and sat the entire first half out. Talking about changing the look of the game.

[hornsofthedilemma]

Congrats to both teams on an exciting and well played game. Felt like the intensity for our Texas this time out was much better than the BU game in Austin. One more match up in the Big XII tournament and Texas may get it right. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif

It was fun to watch Lambert and Cochran, especially knowing I won't have to watch them play MY team next year!

Stephens and Schreiber looked like they showed up to play last night.

Go http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/ut.gif

[BigUtFan]

Zo3157 could not be more right about Baylor's perimeter defense being the difference. Of course, along with Stephens picking up two quick CHEAP fouls in the first two minutes of the first half. Those were the two differences in the game. Along with Lambert, of course. In my opinion, she is the best player in the Big 12. Baylor fans had better enjoy her this year while you have her. She MAKES your team go!!!!! If Stephens could have stayed on the floor, I think we could have held a lead going into halftime which would have been huge. The two fouls on Stephens were simply PATHETIC!!!!! Very proud we did not quit though. Oh and Big12Bear, where was that blowout? Even with Stephens on the bench the entire first half we still stayed with you. WHATEVER!!!!!

[carolann]

Too much Crockrom, too much Lambert. Baylor is a good team all around though. There should be no first round NCAA loss this year for the Bears.

What can I add? I left the game proud of the Longhorns. The Longhorns played hard and for the most part, played well. Yes they made mistakes but most people do.

Obviously, Stacy Stephens' early 2 fouls were crucial. I was very near the court and like most Longhorns thought the calls were dubious. Such is life. Stacy had a double double playing only about 20 minutes. Kenya had 15 points and 8 assists. Asha Hill did her best in the stretch run to slow down Lambert but nature was in favor of Lambert. Lambert is much faster and handles the ball very well.

Heather Schreiber is an all-american in the making. She is so smooth and so composed. Everything Heather does is within the flow of the game. Her individual plays rarely leave me oohing and aahing yet she usually ends the game with good, all-around stats. Towards the end of the game, I saw Heather talking to Larkin. Heather was completely calm, obviously just making sure that she and Larkin understood what the team was going to do and what she, Heather, needed to do.

In hind sight, maybe Conradt should have put Stacy back in towards the end of the first half with the two fouls but that is a coaching call that is always hard to make. As it happened, I think Stacy only picked up 1 foul in the second half.

I am very excited to see what Lambert can do in the WNBA. All the talk is about Bird, Dales, and Teasley. Caufield and Lambert get an occassional mention.

[Big12Bear]

I came on here expecting to see congrats from UT fans. Instead, I see incessant whining about the officiating (at one point in the 2nd half, BU was whistled for 10 fouls to UT's 5. The only reason it semi-evened up is b/c UT HAD to foul down the stretch to have any hope of winning the game), I see "wait til next year type of comments," and I see one personal comment since I didn't precisely call the blowout.

1. Officiating---There was one RIDICULOUS call that brought everyone out of their seats in the 1st half on the play Fox got injured. There was a HUGE pushoff by Schreiber (I think it was)on the baseline who knocked her defender to the ground. No call by the refs, she had an easy bucket. UT Fans: Let me clue you in on something. Generally speaking (but not ALWAYS THE CASE!), the home team gets most of the questionable calls...At least theoretically. That's part of the home court ad. I expect a well officiated game every time out, but when BU goes on the road, I realize that there are going to be come charges that are called blocking fouls, and so on. Deal with it. Officiating didn't come close to costing you that game.

2. Big UT Fan: Your repeated comments about BU not having Lambert and CROCKROM (learn how to spell it folks, it's not that hard) next year has become redundant. We'll all worry about next year when NEXT YEAR rolls around. Right now we're in the most exciting part of THIS YEAR: Crunch time! Jockeying for conference finish, conference tourney, NCAA tourney. Focus on that instead.

3. As far as my blowout comment, I wasn't too far off. BU built an 18 point lead (I predicted 83-65 BU win) in the 2nd half. We missed a ton of free throws down the stretch to keep it from being a blowout, but to UT's credit, they battled back and didn't quit, and that is something you can be proud of.

But for the sour grapes part of it, I think you're just having a hard time dealing with the fact that BU has beaten the Lady Longhorns 4 straight times, and Coach Mulkey is now a perfect 12-0 against UT ALL-TIME.

Glad everyone made it back safely and I hope those who went had a good time.

[BEAR SKIN]

"Very Weak" "Cheap" "Dubious" ???

Were you even watching? Stephens almost decapitated the Bear under the basket for the 2nd foul that put her on the bench.

Nevertheless, great game to watch, whether you had orange or gold colored glasses.

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[Bball Girl]

Nancy L-C couldn't even say Crockrom..she mispronounced it in more ways that I could count.

Lady Bear fans...correct me if I'm wrong. But don't we have Coach KMR to thank for keeping Crockrom a Lady Bear and bringing Lambert into the fold. Wasn't Danielle seriously thinking about giving up early last season and didn't Coach KMR recruit Lambert into the fold?

They've both been a blast to watch and yesterday was no exception. But there's more to the Lady Bears than Lambert and Crockrom. S. Blackmon (only a freshman folks) and Stratton and Fox are not to be dismissed.

[ISUbballfan]

Have you heard anymore how Fox is doing?

[Bob_Ballew]

Crockrom actually quit the team during her soph. year. She and Coach Hogg apparently had problems, but Danielle hung in there. Coach Kim did encourage her to the point that she had a tremendous year last year. Lambert and McCormack came to town along with assistant coach Brock from the Juco ranks. It sure would have been nice to see Lambert play all four years. It would have made a difference for sure in my opinion.

Players like Crockrom and Lambert don't come along often. However, with the recent success of the program and the fact that KMR is a teriffic coach, Baylor will do well in years to come. I am thankful that Kim wound up in Waco and I feel that she will stay around.

My hope is that the Lady Bears will go very far in the NCAA Tournament!!!!

[hornsofthedilemma]

Big 12 Bear, I'd like to offer my apologies to Ms. Cockrom for misspelling her name, but if I'd known it could irritate you so much... http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif

I understand and appreciate that this is a respectful forum. In fact in my neck of the woods a friendly, "We'll get you next time" is a mark of a respectful rivlary.

Hook em http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/ut.gif

[Bobcat4956]

Big12Bear, I was two rows behind the Texas bench and the fouls on Stephens were ridiculous in my opinion. You are the one that was pounding on your chest about the blowout. And while you may have had an 18 point lead, we had a 14 point lead 20 to 6 in the first half, so WHATEVER. The fouls on Stephens killed us. KMR is not a player anymore, she is a coach. And a very good one I might add, although quite a whiner herself. So the wins as a player mean nothing now. But beat on your chest all you want. Getting too precious with your ego will get you in a lot of trouble. The quickness of Baylor hurt us also, and I agree with BigUTFan that Lambert is the best player in the Big 12. UT is a VERY young team and I look forward to the coming years.

[horntooter]

Big12Bear -

There were several horn fans posting congratulations and positive comments about the Baylor team. For example, hornsofthedilemma: "it was fun to watch Lambert and "Cochran"
BigUTfan: Baylor's perimeter defense made the difference; Lambert "is the best player in the Big 12"
CarolAnn: "too much Crockrom, too much Lambert, Baylor is a good team all around"

There were also complaints about the officiating but that hardly can be considered "incessant whining." This board has already declared Big 12 officiating the worst ever and anywhere; that UT fans join the chorus hardly qualifies us as incessant whiners.

Bear Skin - I arrived late to the game and watched some of the highlights on video. Stacy's second foul was a bump foul that probably wouldn't have been called at home, but as Big12Bear said, the home team tends to get the benefit on questionable calls. So it goes.

At any rate, Lambert gets my vote for this year's Athlete of the World. She is spectacular. But it will be a lot more fun (for me, anyway) to watch her in the WNBA next year. It was a fun game to watch. Congratulations to both teams for playing hard and making the Big 12 proud.

[carolann]

Congratulations Baylor.

[swok34]

the home team gets the benefit of the doubt in foul calls??????

who told you guys that?

OU 1 foul Nebraska 7 fouls ...1st half
OU 12 fouls Nebraska 6 fouls...2nd half

What I've noticed the past month is this.....the refs let them play the first 5 minutes solid then the crowd gets going and booing and they start calling everything. So, in that regard, I can see the home court advantage..........

I really, really hate ticky takey touch fouls and favor the refs letting them play as long as the action doesn't get too physical.
But the Big XII is a really physical league, IMO.

[Bob_Ballew]

I am excited about Baylor and the rest of the Big 12 teams as they move closer to the NCAA Tournament. It should prove to be a real eye-opener for a lot of folks around the country. Our conference should get a real boost from post season play. Baylor is my home team and I will cheer them on as long as they are in the running. Texas has such a young team and I feel that the talent they have will carry them a very long way next year, if not this year. I really like the play of Stacy Stephens for Texas. Her size is a real asset in my opinion. The womens game will continue to get physical and she has what it takes to play the post position and dominate other players. Conradt has always had big, strong post players, and it has been successful.
Hats off to her!

It is a little depressing to think about losing Lambert and Crockrom to graduation.

Lambert is finally getting the attention that she deserves. Folks talk about Sue Bird as being the premier point guard in the nation, but I prefer Lambert. Bird is certainly a strong floor leader but Lambert is pure joy to watch! She is capable of doing so many things and entertaining the fans is what she does best! For her sake, I hope she has a good tournament and I hope she is taken early in the draft. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif

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[RaiderPower1]

Originally posted by horntooter:
Stacy's second foul was a bump foul that probably wouldn't have been called at home, but as Big12Bear said, the home team tends to get the benefit on questionable calls. So it goes.

That shouldn't be the case though. It should be fair officiating throughout the game without influence from the fans and the coaches. At the Wisconsin game today, the Badgers coach was on the officials all game long. It was amazing what she was getting away with (out of box). The officiating IMO is influenced waaaaaay to much by the fans of the home team and by the coach. As the rules in my coaches book for Lubbock Girls Basketball: if you spend the game complaining to the officials then you aren't coaching your team right.

[Bevo]

Lambert has some moves that just make her defender look silly. Her combination of quickness and ball-handling ability are what make her so dangerous. Some players may have one or the other, but the combination is rare.

I, too, congratulate the Bears. And I, too, left the game proud of the effort by the Longhorns. It really was a hard-fought game. I was also very impressed by the size and loudness of the crowd.

Now, Ms. Crockrom and Ms. Lambert, your diplomas are ready...

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[Bobcat4956]

CONGRATULATIONS LADY BEARS!!!!!!! While I may not have liked the outcome, as I stated, Lambert is the BEST player in the Big 12. And I have always thought that when Crockrom shows up to play, she is VERY good.

[two cents]

Originally posted by Zo3157:
Lambert is pure joy to watch! She is capable of doing so many things and entertaining the fans is what she does best!

Absolutely! She has sensational shake 'n bake moves. Yet my favorite play might be when she stands behind the arc as if in a daydream and then fires a bullet through the defense to Crockrom or whoever, usually for an easy deuce. Have to admit I got a kick out of that even when she did it in Lubbock. Can't do that too often or the defense will catch on, but funny when it happens.

[Big12Bear]

Thanks for the kind words Bobcat (although I'm not sure where my "ego" or lack thereof decides how my team plays on the floor. My "blowout" pick was not an ego thing, just my prediction. Doesn't mean you have to like it! UT's biggest lead was actually 18-6) and Bevo. My comments were directed at a couple specific UT fans who know who they are. I should not have generalized, and for that I apologize.

swok34, the biggest problem I have with the officiating is when it's inconsistent. If the refs are letting them play, don't all of a sudden change it up and start calling ticky-tack fouls. Whether you are calling it tight or letting them play, be consistent with it the whole game. Anything otherwise is not fair to the players. It's similar to changing up a strike zone during the middle of the game in baseball. Obviously there are exceptions, like when a game gets heated and tempers flare up on both sides. Then the refs NEED to take over.

Now the Bears and Horns each have huge challenges to focus on coming up this week.