Isu - Cu

[Cyclones Rule]

ISU up 42-33 at the half.

[mred]

ISU up 61-55 with 7:29 remaining...

[ISUbballfan]

Mary Fox is on fire!!!!! She has at least 3 3's tonight. She always shoots well in Boulder.

[mred]

ISU wins 76-64!

[YCN]

Outstanding!

(Not to mention that it makes me 5-0 in Pick'Em going into the A&M at OU game tomorrow...)

I'm not sure that I've ever been 12-0 after two sessions. Gotta be a huge amount of luck in that.

[uglyrat]

it was a frustrating game. Cu does not rebound and turns the ball over the last 12 min of the first half and the first couple of min of the second half. makes a comeback but cant complete it for a win. Both these teams looked like bottom feeders in the big twelve to me. Cu does not have anybody on the team that plays consistently night in and night out. Tonight law, Nedovich, and mcfarland were basic no shows. it almost looked like mcfarland was having trouble with the ankle. Nobody drives with authority and makes the defense shift. In the second half iowa state could not stop richards except when they double and triple teamed her but nobody else stepped up to make them do something diffrent. Iowa state can hit the three but they have no inside presence and have trouble stopping an inside game. I believe these teams could play 10 times and each would win about 5. Cu will struggle to win more than ten games this year. Hopefully some of the gaurds coming in next year can play cause the ones this year are awful.

[Cyclones Rule]

Both these teams looked like bottom feeders in the big twelve to me. Iowa state can hit the three but they have no inside presence and have trouble stopping an inside game.

I don't know what you are smoking. ISU is not a bottom feeder this year. ISU in fact has a good chance at getting a top four finish and a bye in the Big 12 Tourn. As for your second comment that we have no post presence, that comment is even more ignorant. Our post play might play sporadic sometimes but when we have it together we have a dang good post presence. Katie Robinette had 30pts against Wisconsin and 21 pts 11 rebs and 5 blocks against KSU. You can say Wisconsin isn't very good and that KSU doesn't have a post presence, but the fact is we can dominate the post.

I hate posts like this that are unintelligent and flame on other schools. Your Hoopscoop name fits you well.

[mred]

You are one of those few posters who only posts thing to flame on other schools. Your Hoopscoop name fits you well.

I agree with your first paragraph, but I think this statement is a bit of an overreaction.

[Cyclones Rule]

I agree with your first paragraph, but I think this statement is a bit of an overreaction.


I'm sorry you feel that way, but I stand by my post. Nothing ticks me off more than some ignorant jerk running down my team.

[mred]

I'm sorry you feel that way, but I stand by my post. Nothing ticks me off more than some ignorant jerk running down my team.

And I went through Uglyrat's other 7 posts and saw nothing disparaging to any other team, despite what your post implies. You're taking a single sentence from their post and making it personal, calling another poster on this board names.

[YCN]

One thing I'm pretty sure of, so-called "bottom feeders" do not typically start their conference seasons by going 2-0, while also starting the season 12-1.

Last year's two worst teams in conference play were Texas A&M and Kansas, with two wins each for the entire conference season. Oklahoma State won three games. The other nine teams all won at least 7 conference games and at least 17 games overall. Eight conference teams received bids to the NCAA tournament, a conference all-time high.

There aren't a lot of bottom feeders in the Big 12, that's for sure.

[dem]

I confess I'm worried about Iowa State's post defense. It's one thing when the opposing posts aren't too big or too experienced, because then Robinette, Kriener, and Wilkens can usually handle them. But if they're experienced players in the 6-4 range -- or if they're so good they have to be double-teamed (e.g., Baylor's posts, or Iowa's Jamie Cavey), then it comes down to outside shooting. It's going to take a miraculous game plan to defend against Baylor, for instance, because too much help down low will give a free hand to Niemann, et al. and ISU could get torched from beyond the arc. Of course, lots of teams have that problem with Baylor -- that's why they're ranked #3.

[uglyrat]

first I would like to apologize if I offended anybody. I was not trying to cut down anybody's team, I was stating my observations from the game. to me, Iowa st. seems to be one dimentional. they have to shoot the 3 at a high percentage to win (40% or higher). I believe Bill Fennely to be a great coach that does a phenomenal job every year. But the two teams in boulder sat night were not the welle,wison team vs nigthengale and bjorkland teams. Fox and O'neil hit big shots in big situations and Iowa st. rebounded the ball infinitely better than cu and that is why they won. by bottom feeders I mean anybody not in the top 6 in the conference. right now i would take texas, baylor, tech, oklahoma, nebraska and iowa st and kansas st fighting for 6th spot. and because iowas st is so one dimnetional i will go with kansas state in the long haul. if iowas st is 4th in the conference than the big 12 has taken a couple of steps back from a couple of years ago or even last year. Cu and Iowa state games used to be like going to see ncaa tourney games with the level of talent and play, sat night was not like that. I could be totally wrong but that is all right too as it will not be the first or last, I just do not see the talent that was at these two schools had in the past. they do get alot of blocks but richards had 24 points and could almost score at will in the second half. I think iowa state will struggle with teams that are physical inside.

[Cyclones Rule]

I appreciated your follow up post. I to am sorry for comments that I may have made in mine as well. I am just very passionate about my team and will defend them from any comment I percieve as derogatory. I guess I can see your logic to some extent, but we differ on what a bottom feeder is. If bottom feeder to you is anyone not in the top six you are wrong about ISU. ISU is easily in the top six of this confernce. I see a bottom feeder as a team that is not good. You could go by the standard categories of top teams, middle of the pack and bottom feeders. I think you are confused about how ISU plays. We thrive and the 3 point shot and when teams guard us there we throw it in the post. KSU is a mirror image of us. I do kind of think it's a slap in the face that a top 4 finish by us to you would because of the failures of others and not our ability. I think you are forgetting that ISU was up 16 at one point in that game. Also, big shots by Mary Fox and Anne O'Neil should not be a surprise. O'Neil is easily one of the 10 best players in this conference.

[swok34]

I thought the rules for being recruited by Bill was that you had to have shot 75% from beyond the arc in high school :D

[BeBe]

I thought the rules for being recruited by Bill was that you had to have shot 75% from beyond the arc in high school :D
I'm with you SWOK. ISU has always (at least since I started paying attention a few years back) been a big time 3 point shooting team. And I think because of that they are also very good defending against the 3. After all they have to defend their teammates in practice!

[dem]

richards had 24 points and could almost score at will in the second half.

Richards shot 7 for 17 (41%) in the second half of that game.

[uglyrat]

i will take 7- 17 with 8 turn overs inside the paint from one player in a half against a zone that is suppose to take away the inside. Espcially when nobody from the outside is scoring. Richards had over half of her teams points in the second half.

[ISU3PointLand]

You know, I'll take a team who's three primary post players are averaging, as a unit, 26.8 points-per-game, 2.8 blocks, 14.2 rebounds and are shooting close to 60% from the field FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON!

Ugly, don't judge a team by one game. If I did that, then I would assume that Kendra Wecker is one of the most overrated players in the nation simply based on what she did against ISU last week. Kendra is an outstanding player who had a subpar night against a team that had prepared for her. ISU isn't averaging 83.5 points a game solely based on our outside shooting. One third of that offense is coming from the post position.

One thing that goes overlooked many times is that Boulder is at a much higher altitude than the rest of the conference. That does play a factor for visiting teams. In a physical game, the Buffs are accustomed to playing in that altitude, other teams are not. That's something that CU uses to their advantage. I'm not using that as an excuse for our cold shooting, but you know it is a factor towards the end of a game when players are leaving free throws short.

:isu:

[buffgal]

ISU looked pretty gassed with six minutes left in the game, but hung on fiercely to win - the three from the corner by Mary Fox and the drive by Anne O'Neil really nailed it for them.

One thing I noticed that was a bit different from previous CU-ISU matchups is that ISU did a lot less of driving and dishing and a lot more passing around the perimeter to get the open shot. The other thing is that Ceal chose to go heavy on the defense in the second half, playing Sarah Lini and Lauren Lubin, who are solid defenders but essentially non-scorers. I guess she felt she could do that because of the zone defense that ISU plays - there wasn't the fear that the defender on a non-scorer would sag off and double a scorer. It kinda worked - the tough defense and the fact that ISU was struggling with the altitude helped get the differential down to four points twice, but CU just didn't have enough scoring juice to pull it out.

However, I have to agree with Uglyrat about one thing - it was the turnovers and lack of rebounding in the first half that got CU into a hole it just wasn't strong enough to get out of.

I actually enjoyed the game. I expected CU to lose, but they played better than I thought they would, it was fun to watch the coaching strategies play out, and it is always fun to watch a team that executes its offense as well as ISU does.

BTW, Bill left his jacket on the whole time, but Ceal took hers off before the game even started.

[unkiemark]

Not to beat a horse here, but the comments by the coaches after the game might give this discussion another perspective. Richards heating up for Buffs (http://dailycamera.com/bdc/cu_womens_basketball/article/0,1713,BDC_2449_3458537,00.html)