Million Fan Update

[ISUbballfan]

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Team Attendance 1/30 Attendance as 2/9 Projected
Kansas State 65,239 78,579 95,000
Texas Tech 106,760 133,630 173,500
Baylor 51,477 62,295 81,000
Texas 60,984 66,432 80,000
Iowa State 111,271 124,583 143,000
Texas A&M 18,047 20,673 22,800
Kansas 9,297 10,045 13,000
Oklahoma 38,589 56,663 78,000
Nebraska 30,257 39,878 44,000
Colorado 25,282 28,527 33,400
Missouri 19,872 32,255 28,000
Oklahoma State 20,595 21,904 27,500
Total 557,670 675,464 819,200
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Congratulations Missouri with your pack the Hearn promotion you topped your Projected total.

Every school has 2 games left except A&M, Kansas, Oklahoma State. They have 3 games left.

[This message has been edited by HoopScoop (edited 02-12-2002).]

[This message has been edited by ISUbballfan (edited 02-12-2002).]

[Daddo]

Thanks, ISU, that's awfully kind. I still have a hard time getting excited about 32,000, with 10k of that from one game. Meantime, the athletic department continues to run TV commercials for the GUYS team, which is sold out through the end of the season. Grumble grumble gripe gripe.
I'm hoping the folks who came out Saturday had a good time and come back, and the team should be stronger next year, and things will pick up. I'd love to see 10,000 be a regular thing, not once a year.


Originally posted by ISUbballfan:
<pre style="font size: 10pt;">
Team Attendance 1/30 Attendance as 2/9 Projected
Kansas State 65,239 78,579 95,000
Texas Tech 106,760 133,630 173,500
Baylor 51,477 62,295 81,000
Texas 60,984 66,432 80,000
Iowa State 111,271 124,583 143,000
Texas A&M 18,047 20,673 22,800
Kansas 9,297 10,045 13,000
Oklahoma 38,589 56,663 78,000
Nebraska 30,257 39,878 44,000
Colorado 25,282 28,527 33,400
Missouri 19,872 32,255 28,000
Oklahoma State 20,595 21,904 27,500
Total 557,670 675,464 819,200
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Congratulations Missouri with your pack the Hearn promotion you topped your Projected total.

Every school has 2 games left except A&M, Kansas, Oklahoma State. They have 3 games left.

[This message has been edited by HoopScoop (edited 02-12-2002).]

[This message has been edited by ISUbballfan (edited 02-12-2002).]

[Big12Bear]

They had a nice article in yesterday's Dallas Morning News about how the Big 12 led the nation in attendance.

http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/ttu.gif http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/isu.gif http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/ksu.gif http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/ou.gif http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/ut.gif and http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/bu.gif were ALL TOP 15 NATIONALLY. That is very impressive!

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[mred]

Originally posted by ISUbballfan:
Every school has 2 games left except A&M, Kansas, Oklahoma State. They have 3 games left.


It looks like ISU and KSU will beat the projections. ISU has a "Pack Hilton" promotion against Kansas, and a whole lot of people should show up for a pivotal game against BU on Senior Night. KSU has a home game against Oklahoma. Is that one sold out? If not, it'll be close. The big question is if KSU can hit 100,000.
Tech will come up a bit short, although they will still lead the conference easily.
Missouri already beat their projection (as was already noted).
Nebraska should get a boost from the KSU win, but both remaining home games are mid-week.
OSU has home games against Tech, ISU, and Baylor so they should draw pretty well, especially with this being Halterman's last season.
With 3 games and 2955 fans to go, Kansas will likely make it strictly because they have a weekend game vs. KSU. Purple everywhere. I wouldn't doubt there being over 3000 KSU fans at that game.
Oklahoma won't get very many for the midweek game against Nebraska, but there should be a lot of people there for senior night vs. Tech. It still looks like they'll be a bit short.
Colorado has a senior night against KSU on a Saturday. That should bring plenty in, so Colorado should just beat their projection.
Baylor has two good home games against Texas and Colorado. Senior night should be huge for them. It'll be close.
Texas should be able to beat their projection. Home games are against conference leader OU and in-state rival A&M. You have to believe the win over Tennessee will boost attendance.
Texas A&M should have no problem beating the projection. They've drawn well recently and have a home game against Baylor.

Any comments?

[swok34]

Oklahoma won't get very many for the midweek game against Nebraska

this game is on Saturday, after an OU men's game vs Kansas State after an alumni-sponsored tour of the new practice facility and lunch........ http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif

[mred]

Hmm... How'd I mess that up? Anyway, I still think OU will end up just below the projection. 21,000 + over two games is a lot, although I guarantee the Tech game will have more than its share. It all depends on the attendance this Saturday.

[kate dawg]

can i just say that Colorado is pathetic? I mean come ON?! Coors used to sell out in the early 90s and now they can't even average 3K fans?! No reason for it. I'm tired of hearing about how there are other things to do. I think the marketing at CU stinks too. They don't do anything except toss some ads in the paper and rely on media. the Buffs are in the papers every day, and on TV pretty regularly so it's not like they aren't getting exposure.

Apparently being in the top 15 is not enough motivation for people to come. I mean i have no doubt that if CU hosts they'll sell out, but still...where are they now? it's crap i tell ya!

[soonerborn]

The OU/NU game on Saturday is Women and Girls in Sports Day - or something like that. So, maybe we will have a larger attendence than expected - unless, of course, it snows!

[swok34]

I do agree that OU may fall below expectation......to meet what's projected, they would pretty much have to sell out both games.
I do see TTU selling out, but not Nebraska.....

I think the Big XII will make a million between the tournament (which I kind of expect will draw better in earlier sessions than in years past....especially the sessions KSU is playing in....and the NCAA tourney that the Big XII teams host......see, so now all we have to do is make sure Kansas State has to play on Tuesday at the tourney http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif

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[schooner2]

Originally posted by swok34:
I do agree that OU may fall below expectation......to meet what's projected, they would pretty much have to sell out both games.
I do see TTU selling out, but not Nebraska.....

I think the Big XII will make a million between the tournament (which I kind of expect will draw better in earlier sessions than in years past....especially the sessions KSU is playing in....and the NCAA tourney that the Big XII teams host......see, so now all we have to do is make sure Kansas State has to play on Tuesday at the tourney http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif


Hmmmm. I hadn't considered that yet. KSU should bring a lot more fans to the Big 12 Tourney as they really have not brought that many to previous tournaments considering how close they are. Got my tickets in the mail several days ago. Only 3 more weeks and 6 games will have already been played!

[two cents]

Tech still has a home game against Wisconsin in addition to 2 conference games, so they'll probably end up somewhere in the neighborhood of the projection.

[mred]

Originally posted by two cents:
Tech still has a home game against Wisconsin in addition to 2 conference games, so they'll probably end up somewhere in the neighborhood of the projection.

I was looking at the conference schedule only, so I see how I missed that. I was wondering why Tech was going to fall that much below the projection. Anyway, I'd expect Tech to be right around the projection, then.

[swok34]

Hmm... How'd I mess that up?


hmmmmmmm, I think OU would just as soon skip that trip to Austin and play Nebraska twice @ home http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif

[KSUron]

The attendance at the KSU v. OU game was 11,789 bringing the home total to 90,368. There is one scheduled home game left with Missouri on Wednesday February 27. I have no real knowlege of what the attendence will be. Prior to the last three losses I would have expected that game and the Kansas game to have been fairly good. I expect it has been deminished somewhat but will still be respectable. The NU KSU game at Lincoln was attended by a pretty good number of Wildcat fans. Last year attendance grew in spite of losses so I am not pridicting a major drop off but I would not be surprised if the MU game gets a lot less attention than our recent games. We will probably exceed our estimate total but not by a lot.

If we get to host some tourney games that should be extra gravy. There is pretty good KSU fan interest in the Big XII Tourney (at least by me and my wife). Go Big XII! {but please spend some of that ticket money on some real refs)

[soonerborn]

KSURON: Do the NCAA games toward the Million Fan Attendence? Some of my friends from KC were at the game last night - OU alumni - they called me after the game and asked if the officiating looked as bad on TV as it did in person! It has really been pathetic this year - last Saturday's game OU/A&M was a prime example.



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[schooner2]

I'll go ahead and answer that - yes it does count. This is nothing that the NCAA is doing with all its rules. The conference just wants to count how many fans come to the 12 Big 12 arenas to watch a Big 12 team play. So that applies to Big 12 teams hosting in the NCAA. And with that, the conference just may barely reach 1 million.

[Big12Bear]

and WNIT for Missouri, and possibly Nebraska as well.

This brings about another question. The mens NIT has recently announced that they're expanding from 32 to 40 teams this year. Is the same true for the WNIT?

[mred]

Originally posted by schooner:
So that applies to Big 12 teams hosting in the NCAA. And with that, the conference just may barely reach 1 million.

Let's look at this from a best-case perspective:

I did a revised estimate taking into account my comments I made on attendance. That puts my newest projection at 843,000, since most teams will exceed the original projection. Granted, this newest projection is not conservative, but I did say this was best-case. I'll stand by the original 32,000 guess for the Big XII Tournament, but that will be higher if either ISU or KSU play on Tuesday. That's 875,000 headed into the NCAA tournament.

OU will obviously host. The Big XII could have as many as 5 host teams. KSU will likely host. Colorado and ISU have good shots at hosting. The best case for attendance is obviously having Tech host. From our earlier projections, OU is worth 23,000 fans, KSU is worth 26,000, ISU is worth 25,000, Colorado is worth 20,000, and Tech is worth 26,000. This adds up to 120,000 fans. ISU is worth an additional 26,000 fans in the regionals if they play both games. Total NCAA tournament attendance: 146,000.

Let's say Missouri hosts a pair of games in the WNIT. They should be one of the better teams there. That could be worth 12,000 fans, although perhaps Daddo could give a more accurate guess.

Season total: 1,033,000. We could lose one of our host teams and/or the elite eight round from ISU and still make it, but it could be close.

[KSUron]

Originally posted by soonerborn:

KSURON: Some of my friends from KC were at the game last night - OU alumni - they called me after the game and asked if the officiating looked as bad on TV as it did in person! It has really been pathetic this year - last Saturday's game OU/A&M was a prime example.

I taped the game and have only had time to view the first half. I will review the rest of it later. My answer would be that the officiating looked lousy in person and on TV but somewhat better on TV. The camera had a different angle than I did in the stands. I might add that quite a few KSU fans are tired of seeing games called like this so the crowd was already a bit "spring loaded". I think OU got the short end of some of those calls (or non-calls) also, especially Stacy Dales.

In our NU game which I did not get to go to or see live, I reviewed the broadcast on tape. Two of the first three fouls called on NU involved "pancake" knockdowns that Coach Solich would be proud of. They occured IMO because by then Shalondra Booker was playing and at 5'4 and maybe as-much-as ninety pounds body-ups were just body slams. That little woman did not do a flop, at her size she just did a plop.

What really grinds you is to have heavy hits not called and other touch fouls called. KSU and the rest of us will just have to learn to deal with it, like it or not.