So what's up with Cisti Greenwalt?

[YCN]

After almost completely finishing this post twice, and instantly erasing it twice by accidentally hitting my escape key, it was time to take a deep breath and a break, and to - well- just start over again!

This time I'll cut and paste from Notepad!

So what's up with Cisti Greenwalt?
Cisti Greenwalt caught my attention earlier in the season when I watched her play and saw the potential of the tall and gangly 6-5 freshman from the windswept eastern New Mexico town of Clovis.

To me, the upside potential of her game seemed to be very high, and my expectations for her this year was that she would steadily progress this year into a solidly contributing player, with expectations of more improvement in the coming years - possibly even to the point of becoming a dominating D-I post player.

It is from that perspective that her recent lack of impact has caught my attention, and made me wonder just what is going on with her, and because of that notice, I decided to take a nuts-and-bolts look at her game-by-game statistics this year.

I might not have done this if I hadn't gotten burned when Marsha Sharp decided not to let her see the court for the ISU game, subsequently sinking my Hoopla score for that week to a near-record low.

So I did take a good look at her stats, and here is what I found:

Games 1-4.
It appeared that Cisti was being very gradually eased into the rigors of top-level of competition when she played only 2 and 3 minutes in her first two games this year, at Duke and at Oregon State. She didn't take a shot from the the field or the line, and her sole box score contributions besides the 5 minutes she played were 1 foul and 2 blocked shots. In the next 2 games at Oregon and New Mexico she didn't play at all. So the first 4 games of her college career were basically non-existent from a statistical point of view.

Games 5-15.
Out of the blue, the small-town girl is thrown helter-skelter into D-I play. In these 11 games (North Texas, Rice, Southern Mississippi, at St. Peters, at Rutgers, Vanderbilt, Kansas, Oklahoma, at Missouri, at Texas, Baylor) Cisti played an average of 21.5 minutes (more than half a game) and was a solid contributor in those games, hitting 42 of 94 shots from the field (.447) and sinking 27 of 47 free throws (.574). The team was 8-3 during this stretch. But Cisti's real contributions in these games weren't on the scoreboard, but elsewhere. She 103 rebounds (9.4) to go with her 111 points. She had 4 assists against 27 turnovers (-2.1) (which wouldn't be considered bad at all for a freshman post player) and had 35 blocked shots (3.2) and 4 steals (0.4). To put all of those numbers into perspective, her Hoopla average for those 11 games was 14.4.

Game 16.
What can be said about this is that this game marked a sudden downturn in Cisti's fortunes for this season. It would be interesting to know the story behind the facts, but the facts are, after averaging 21.5 minutes for the 11 previous games, Cisti didn't leave the bench in Tech's win over ISU. I don't suppose anyone here will ever know what was going on, or why, but for a very promising young player to suddenly ride the pines was a real mystery to me, and no doubt to many others as well. This game seems to have been the signpost of the downturn in her contribution and performance since that time.

Games 17-21.
It the last 5 games Cisti has been a spot role player coming off the bench. During this period (OSU, at Kansas State, at Texas A&M, Colorado and Texas) Cisti averaged 8.8 minutes per game while Tech went 3-2. Her court output has gone into a serious slide, as she has hit only 6 field goals out of only 16 attempts (.375), while going 2-5 from the line (.400). She's had only 17 rebounds (3.4) and 14 points total (2.8), with 1 assist, 3 turnovers, 5 blocked shots, and 1 steal. In effect, she's been a complete non-factor. Her Hoopla average in these games has been an astonishingly low 4.4.

So what's up with Cisti Greenwalt?

I don't know. Has Marsha handled this young player the right way? Maybe someone should ask Cisti, because she doesn't seem to be the same player she was earlier in the season.

It's as though her heart really isn't in it anymore.

If anyone has any real insight on this issue, I would love to hear about it, because it is awful just standing in the dark.

[Press]

I just think Cisti needs another year to adjust to the physical play of the Big XII. Marsha Sharp has commented several times that her limited time on the court is clearly based on matchups, but of course there's speculation that there's more to it. As a result,her confidence seems to be a little shaken at times, so who knows what's going on in her head.

If you'll notice, this years team has had so many distractions and struggled so much at times, none of them look like they're having much fun, ie., the CU game. I think it's just one of those years when nothing's really clicking.

I think Cisti will be a heck of a player in a couple years and even much better next year. Her height and mobility are fantastic, she just needs to put some meat on those bones and get stronger with the ball. Once she puts all that together, I think she'll get plenty of playing time.



[This message has been edited by Press (edited 02-08-2002).]

[YCN]

Tech is tied with Iowa State and Texas for 5th place in the conference, and realistically speaking, doesn't have much of a shot of winning a national championship.

To trade their future performance for today's results is a risky gambit indeed, and from my point of view, Tech has zero chance of getting to the final four without Cisti playing a pivotal role, rough edges and all.

She has to be a central cog in the future of Lady Raider basketball, so win or lose, sink or swim, Marsha needs to let her play.

Just my .02.

[two cents]

Interesting post and question YCN. I'm working on thorough response, I'll post later tonight. I'm just a fan so it will be pure speculation.

[YCN]

Two Cents, I'll respond to your post sometime tomorrow.

I'm semicatatonic right now, so please excuse me if I go to bed.

[two cents]

Interesting post and question. Many Raider fans have wondered about this issue, and I've given it some thought myself. I'm just a fan, so I don't have any specialized knowledge. All I can do is speculate. Since your question was motivated in part by the hoopla game, I'll incorporate some thoughts on that into my analysis.

I think Cisti does have great upside, and she has the potential to become a great D1 center. I think the coaching staff intended to ease her into game situations this year. The probable objective was to see how much she could absorb in practice and let her contribute from the bench whenever feasible. I don't think they ever expected her to break the starting lineup this season.

Games 1-4.
Your analysis is right. Cisti was being eased into D1 ball. But remember, the morning following game 4 against New Mexico, Plenette Pierson was suspended indefinitely (later suspended for the season).

Games 5-10 (Non-Conference).
The coaching staff had to determine how they wanted to handle the post situation without Plenette. They had 3 home games (2 against decent competition) before a challenging road trip and a return home to face Vanderbilt. The lineups and floor combinations were still a mish-mash. The seniors were not yet consistently starting. Jia was still playing the point. A lot was yet to be decided. Cisti was thrown into the post mix along with others. Let's break down the numbers game by game:

North Texas: Dionne Brown (23 minutes/11 hoopla points), Tanisha Ellison (23/6), Cisti Greenwalt (18/6), Jolee Ayers (16/8).
This is Tech's home opener. It comes two days after the season's second loss at New Mexico and one day after Plenette's suspension. Against a decent team, Tech gets the 63-53 win but plays shaky at times. Minutes get spread around.

Rice: Brown (24/16), Ellison (14/13), Greenwalt (24/17), Ayers (13/4).
Tech has a few days to settle down. Womenscollegehoops picks Rice to win, because of the tumult. Wrong. Raiders breeze 74-43. Cisti gets plenty of minutes and does well with 16 rebounds.

Southern Mississippi: Brown (18/10), Ellison (14/10), Greenwalt (22/17), Ayers (20/8).
Against a weak opponent (95-34), Cisti gets the most minutes and continues to shine.

Time to hit the road again.
St. Peters: Brown (4/-2), Ellison(23/6), Greenwalt (31/26), Ayers (18/6).
Brown is in starting lineup but plays poor defense. Coach Sharp at halftime says, "I need one post girl who'll step up across from T(anisha Ellison) and get it done." Cisti responds, "I can do it." Greenwalt starts the 2nd half and pulls down 18 rebounds (12 offensive) for the game and blocks 5 shots. Tech beats a sound St. Peter's team 75-68. Some of us think the lion is about to roar.

Rutgers: Ellison (22/6), Greenwalt (29/13), Ayers (29/19)
Brown gets sick as a dog in New Jersey and doesn't play. Casey Jackson dings her knee in practice and doesn't play. Cisti gets her first start and does fine. The team seems to have figured out how to attack a zone. Jolee gets 5 assists in 62-49 victory.

Back home for an eight day break over Christmas.
Vanderbilt: Ellison (30/12), Greenwalt (21/9), Ayers (15/6)
In a specially tailored game plan, Ellison plays a bunch of minutes and keeps Chantelle Anderson from getting to the spots she likes on offense. Anderson works hard to get her points in first half, wears down, accomplishes little in second half. Offense picks apart zone to win 81-71. Cisti plays fewer minutes due to game plan and foul trouble. Brown comes back from break unhappy, doesn't play, quits team next day.

A nice run of games for Cisti as the coaching staff settles the starting lineup temporarily and Greenwalt is in it. She averages 24 mins, 8.5 pts, 10 reb, 4 blk, 2.5 to, 14.7 hoopla points. This was not against Big 12 level competition. Nevertheless, it looks like Cisti can hold her own. I decide to use her on my hoopla team, because as a starter she should average more minutes than in the first 10 games and generate decent production.

Games 11-15 (Conference).
The first conference game is Kansas at home. Unfortunately, this year the Jayhawks are not Big 12 level competition either. I expect the coaching staff to develop the post game while they have a chance. They do so. Kansas extends the defense. Greenwalt and Ayers get lots of easy layups to start conference off deceptively. [made a last minute decision to use Jackson rather than Ayers for my hoopla team---a net 25 point gaffe to start play---Bummer!]

Life immediately gets tougher for both Tech and Cisti. The coaches in this conference don't twiddle their thumbs. They break down game film. With each passing game, they have more film to scout their opponents. They find weaknesses and when their turn rolls around they expose weaknesses. With each passing game, Cisti's hoopla points (KU:28, OU:14, MU:12, UT:11, BU:7) and general production decline. I include her on my hoopla team each game. I jump off the gravy train in the nick of time. Her averages from OU thru BU (4 games): 25.5 mins, 10.5 pts, 6.75 reb, 2.75 blk, 2.75 to, 11 hoopla points. These are still very solid numbers for the freshman from windswept eastern New Mexico, absolutely nothing to be embarrassed about, but the trend is negative. Those dadgum coaches from the other teams are just merciless in their quest for victories. Why can't they leave a sweet kid alone?

Cisti has felt a level of physical play in conference games that she never experienced in New Mexico; she has encountered a level of sophistication in offenses and defenses that she has not seen before; she has participated in games at a level of intensity that may be unfamiliar to her. She has seen 4's shoot 3's like they were 2's. Cisti is very smart, has a great attitude, and a world of talent. She is very coachable. The staff is high on her potential. They are certain she will be a great player before she leaves Tech, but patience and practice and learning are the order of the day. It was an eager, courageous cub I heard roaring at the St. Peter's game. There are some full grown lions playing post in this league. There is no point throwing her into that den in this particular conference, in this particular year. Her own roar will be loud enough soon.

Game 16 (Iowa State).
I did not include Cisti on my hoopla team for this game. I thought she would start, but I did not think she would last long. The numbers I pointed to earlier do not indicate much about defense (except blocks), but Greenwalt is still an inexperienced defensive player and does not excel yet at playing position defense. As a lioness, Welle is the leader of the pride. She has moves that Shaquille O'neal could not handle. Putting Cisti in to defend Angie is an invitation for Welle to chew her up and spit her out. Tanisha and Jolee have played Angie before and they are stronger physically. Tanisha is a marginal threat offensively, but she is a tenacious defender who will not allow an offensive post player to find a spot she likes on the low post. She forced Angie into a bundle of mistakes early in the game. That was her assignment. Any points she scored were icing. There was a picture I saw from the game in which Welle was trying to make an offensive move, leading with her elbow to make space for a shot. Jolee was defending. She did not flinch. Angie might as well have been ramming her elbow into a brick wall. Cisti probably could not have withstood that maneuver. If the game plan had not worked, Cisti might have seen time. But with the lead in double digits late in the game, why mess with success?

Games 17-21.
After the Iowa State game, I think the coaches decided they needed more experience on defense and wanted to stabilize the lineup. Plus Jolee was improving on offense. The coaches probably saw this during practice (amazing what coaches see in practice). Jolee's averages from Iowa State thru Texas (6 games): 30.5 mins, 15.5 pts, 7.7 reb, 1.2 blk, 2to, 17.5 hoopla points. [damn, I should have kept that a secret!]

Cisti gets to play when circumstances permit. She got 17 minutes against A&M and 10 minutes against the Longhorns in a nip and tuck battle. I hope to see her minutes increase again as the season progresses. During the A&M postgame show, Cisti said she has lacked confidence and is too hard on herself, and that she needs to better incorporate what the coaches are teaching her. I wholeheartedly agree. I expect her to score lots of hoopla points for me next year!

Before the season began, I never would have expected Cisti to be a starter this year. She has already played more minutes than I might have anticipated for the season. There are always exceptions of course, but whenever possible, the Tech coaches prefer to develop talent slowly. There is so much to learn at the D1 level. Hard to teach all that stuff on the fly. They have had good fortune sustaining the program at the top echelon of success with this approach. This year, there is so little margin for error, and they have been very late getting players settled into their respective roles. Hopefully, the team will solidify before season's end.

If Greenwalt works hard in practice, she could be a major contributor off the bench during NCAA tournament play. Post season games are non-conference games with more physical and intense play than in the early season. Staffs have less familiarity with opponents and less film and time with which to devise game plans. If Cisti is overlooked in their preparations, she is quite capable of producing another outstanding performance.

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[schooner2]

Very good analysis YCN. Interesting facts you bring to light here. If it is true as Press says that Cisti just needs more time to acclamate herself to Big 12 play, then why isn't Sharp playing her more so she can get used to the physical style? Doesn't add up to me since she is only averaging 8.8 minutes per game recently.

And if she isn't playing much over the past SIX, yes 6, games because of strategy issues, then that clearly sends the message that there is such a weakness in Cisti's game (according to Sharp), that Tech can't afford to have her on the floor.

So, good question here. Knowing that Sharp demands effort and the right attitude from people (see her dismissal of Pierson this season), wonder if maybe Sharp is not pleased with Cisti's efforts. Maybe she's not putting up much effort in practice. Who knows. Kind of hate to speculate here.

But, either Sharp feels Cisti is too much of a liability or Cisti is not being rewarded with playing time because of lack of effort in games and/or practices.

Maybe Tech fans have a better feel on this issue?

[two cents]

Sorry Schooner,

I inserted that long one in where I had made a previous post without realizing somebody else had posted after it.

I doubt if there is a fundamental attitude problem with Cisti, but her intensity and concentration may not be up to Big 12 standards yet.

[Press]

Originally posted by schooner:


And if she isn't playing much over the past SIX, yes 6, games because of strategy issues, then that clearly sends the message that there is such a weakness in Cisti's game (according to Sharp), that Tech can't afford to have her on the floor.

So, good question here. Knowing that Sharp demands effort and the right attitude from people (see her dismissal of Pierson this season), wonder if maybe Sharp is not pleased with Cisti's efforts. Maybe she's not putting up much effort in practice. Who knows. Kind of hate to speculate here.

But, either Sharp feels Cisti is too much of a liability or Cisti is not being rewarded with playing time because of lack of effort in games and/or practices.

Maybe Tech fans have a better feel on this issue?

All the points mentioned are very likely accurate, but as I mentioned in my initial post, even though Sharp says she's not playing because of matchups, we the fans have speculated that it's more than that, but who really knows? I was trying to keep from listing all the specifics that have been said, some are personal and didn't want to go there, especially after this week’s meltdown on this board.

I think a lot of it has to do with focus, effort and determination and obviously Sharp is not seeing that right now. As you saw on Wednesday's game, she pulls the ball down below her waist or puts it on the floor when she should be keeping it high, away from the defense. I think that's just an adjustment that has to be made and I have a hard time believing that Coach Weese, one of the best coaches for post players, hasn't schooled her on that many times.

I've watched Tech basketball for a number of years and Sharp doesn't hesitate to let talented kids sit on the bench if they don't practice well, follow the game plan, and play solid defense or just doesn’t think they match-up well. Her career lives and dies on getting to the NCAA's and hosting two games at home and I think that's her focus for this team right now. I don’t think she’s willing to lose games if she can keep from it and I don’t think that’s wrong of her. Do you bench Ellison who has experience and can perhaps help you win, or play Cisti who you are trying to develop, but might be a liability at times? I don’t, not when I’m on the bubble of being a Top 4 seed.

The plan all along was to bring Cisti along gradually because of the depth, but that all changed when Pierson and Brown were off the team. Cisti was given the opportunity early on and did a great job, had some up and down games, but that's expected, but somewhere after the UT in Austin, something changed. Whatever it is, she has to work her way back up the ladder and has to respond to the challenge, which is bottom line, I think. I know there are Sharp bashers out there that think otherwise, but this is how I see it.

[DblT81]

Wow! Two Cents you are my new bbs hero. Can you say what you just said about Cisti at RP? Maybe some of those who spew such garbage about Cisti and Coach Sharp would pause and ponder about how wrong they are.....

Then again, they probably wouldn't read it or understand it (specially the Hoopla points part).

Anyway, this gets a nomination for post of the year in my book. Great job, thanks.

[Press]

Originally posted by DblT81:
Wow! Two Cents you are my new bbs hero. Can you say what you just said about Cisti at RP? Maybe some of those who spew such garbage about Cisti and Coach Sharp would pause and ponder about how wrong they are.....

Then again, they probably wouldn't read it or understand it (specially the Hoopla points part).

Anyway, this gets a nomination for post of the year in my book. Great job, thanks.

I agree, great analysis, I read it twice just to make sure it didn't miss anything. I think you are right on target. dblt is right, some of those slacks on RP.com, would try and shot holes right through anything that made sense and didn't say they needed to fire the coaching staff and recruit all new players. Keep 'em coming!

[Bobcat4956]

I was at the TT/Texas game in Austin a few weeks ago and Cisti played VERY well. She seems to have a killer instinct and that is very important. I think she may not be physically strong enough yet to absorb the physical play in the Big 12. But I will tell you this, being a Texas fan, she is very scary. I think she could be major good in a year or two. She has a very bright upside.

[Bball Girl]

I think Cisti has freshmanitis. Coach Sharp publicly stated that Cisti was going to be a big part of the Tech program, she started giving her some minutes. She came into some games, relaxed with no real pressure to perform and did really, really well. Jolee really struggled at the beginning of the season and Cisti worked herself into the starting lineup. But as her minutes grew, so did the expectations and now Cisti is no longer relaxed. She played horrible at the OSU game (I think), Marsha started her and put her into the game several times. Each time, she either lost the ball, made a bad move to the basket, didn't block out...not only was she not effective, she became a detriment. Frankly, I've only seen Coach Sharp get that angry at a player only a few times.

Cisti has publicly said (reported in the AJ) that she's being so hard on herself, that she's lost her confidence and composure. When she gets out on the court, she treats the ball like a hot potato..she has a deer in the headlights look like she has no idea of what the play is. I've seen Amber grab her by the jersey and move her over because she was playing in the wrong spot.

Marsha publicly said that she was going with a different lineup at the ISU game because our bench depth allows her to start and play the matchups that the opponent requires. Casey and Natalie have started some games. Tanisha has started some games and in other games has barely played any minutes because she wasn't really contributing. Candi didn't start at point in the beginning, Jia did. All season, they have started different lineups and the players that they thought needed to be there to match up against the other team.

Every game counts so much in this tough Big 12 play and I think Cisti realizes the significance and she's just become a case of nerves. They continue to put her into the game and give her some minutes. Coach Weese (who coaches the post players and serves as the father figure) is always talking to her and encouraging her.

But she really struggles to deal with the physical post play.

The other factor is that Jolee and Tanisha have really been playing very well in the post. Jolee has been incredibly productive and why would you pull Jolee right now?

I think she'll be fine...but College BB is very different that HS. She's got good hands and runs the court very well for her size.

[YCN]

To two cents, Press, schooner, DblT81 and Bobcat4956:

Thank you all so much for your responses to my thread!

Now I have a much greater insight into what is going on with the Cisti Greenwalt situation, and will feel much more at ease regarding CG's contribution and playing time issues this season. While I'm a Sooner fan, I'm also a player fan and think that this young lady has an extraordinary potential for success.

In particular, two cents, your post was a masterpiece of clarity and insight, and was exactly the type of information that I was seeking.

Can you teach me how to post that way sometime? Golly gee whiz!

[YCN]

And thanks to you too, Bball Girl!

Your post showed up while I was composing my last one. I greatly appreciate yours and everyone's contributions to this thread, because this is exactly the type of insight that people crave, and is the reason why we are on this board.

Your "freshmanitis" comment is starting to ring very true to me in light of the comments that others have made. It is hard to focus on the fact that this conference is so tough to play in, and the consequences of that to the younger players.

I tend to get bogged down in the here and now of the results of the latest games while losing focus on the hows and whys behind those results.

Cisti Greenwalt strikes me as an incredibly gifted young athlete that maybe hasn't had the big-time experience and coaching to really make her game prosper. Now that she is in that environment, I expect that we will see her progress by leaps and bounds in the next year or two.

While she is self-critical about her shortcomings, I see that as nothing if not the best of signs for her ability to grow as a basketball player and as a person. The very best athletes out there have some measure of critical doubt about themselves every time they compete.

It is a large part of what made them great in the first place.

[RaiderPower1]

If Cisti Greenwalt has a #1 fan I am probably it. My friend's dad coached her last year at Clovis so I kinda knew the upper hand on her. I talked to her a little bit at Midnight Madness and she is VERY friendly. Her height and mobility are almost scarce to the wbb world. You only see it in Chantelle Anderson, Angie Welle, and Michelle Snow type players. All three of those are All Americans, so you can see why I am so high on Cisti Greenwalt. I think that her minutes have not only been used to benefit HER but to benefit Jolee too. Jolee was starting out very slow this season but it seems to me that Jolee tried harder just because Cisti was doing so well, so it heightened Jolee's play. In the CU game, Cisit didn't see as many minutes because CU was essentially playing 4 out 1 in and Tech couldn't put 2 post players out on the court and Jolee's offense was critical to Tech. In the UT game, Cisti saw a little more minutes but she was really pressured by UT's posts because of the physical play. I am already proud of what she has done. I'm sure she'll see a lot more minutes here in the next few games. I see a very bright future for her. Go Lady Raiders!!

[Bball Girl]

I've heard great things on campus about Cisti from her profs and other students. She's an eager learner on all counts and like many of Coach Sharp's players fully understands that she stands as a role model to little kids. I've seen tall young girls go up and speak with Cisti..her face lights up and their faces light up in return.

I agree with RaiderPower1, she's very graceful and very athletic for such a tall young woman. I think the coaches all have a lot of confidence in her future and she just needs to settle down and focus on her skills which are considerable. I look to Cisti and Jolee to be a dynamic due in the paint for the Lady Raiders!

[two cents]

DblT81 and Press,

Thanks for the kind words. Much of what I said was a recapitulation of points others had made already. For instance, in discussing the strategy for the Iowa St. game I made essentially the same points you and others made over on RP.com, if I remember correctly.

I found out about this site from RP.com. I enjoyed it enough to stop lurking and post. I have never done that on any bbs before. I'm still trying to get the hang of it. I have mixed feelings about RP.com itself. The website has some great features and I appreciate RSS making it available. I also enjoy her posts which have become too rare. There are many insightful posters over there and I have benefited from visiting the site, but there are also a bunch of clueless clowns that cannot restrain themselves from spewing forth. That site is advertised locally which is good insofar as it attracts a greater degree of participation, but it is also a way to pull in a lot chaff to mix with the wheat.

I have thought about posting over there many times, but I doubt there's any point. DblT, if you and the other thoughtful, knowledgeable participants cannot persuade some of the knuckleheads to be reasonable, I seriously doubt I could have any meaningful effect. What's more, I think some of the more noteworthy contributors to that board read this one even if they don't post often or at all. If true, then some of the more relevant folks will read my thoughts without my having to re-edit the post to omit mention of hoopla points. Besides, the post above is too long. Keeping my remarks more concise is one of the things I haven't gotten the hang of yet. At least on this board, there are occasionally some long posts. Chipper throws out a few I enjoy reading.

Whenever I get the time, I would like to write at least one more really long post---a kind of tribute to Coach Sharp in her 20th season. Some wcbb fans are fairly new enthusiasts and may not be aware of her coaching background and the steadiness of her success over many years. Fans on here seem open to information about other programs; they might be interested.

DblT, I love your pre-game threads over on RP.com. You always get the discussion started off right.


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[two cents]

YCN,

Hey, any compliments you want to throw my way, right back at ya! There is simply no way I would have made my contribution, if you hadn't initiated the thread with such a thoughtful, well-organized post. It was obvious to me that you had spent some time on it. You had to look up boxscores, look for patterns, and do some calculations (not to mention the ol' escape key). You were curious enough to do that for a player on a team you don't follow closely. I had some time on my hand, the least I could do was respond in kind about a player on a team I do follow closely. It was time consuming, but I enjoyed the process. I had only my observations and impressions to begin. Fortunately, the data corroborated those impressions. Thanks for providing me the impetus to perform the task.

[swok34]

Fans on here seem open to information about other programs; they might be interested

absolutely, two cents........."especially" when you are talking about a Big XII program...Marsha Sharp is one of the best of the Big XII and I think a coach that many other Big XII coaches have looked up to; especially those growing their programs i.e. Sherri Coale.

I enjoy the discussions and information about other conferences, also. During the Big XII season, I basically know what the Big XII is up to and don't keep up very well with other conferences and/or team. Except whether they win or lose and where they stand in the polls.

[two cents]

Cisti's ears must have been burning. She had a great game in a losing effort--wouldn't ya know. May still need to work on her defense, but lots of boards and points. She fouled out. Cisti was probably trying to step it up on defense. She'll get there.
18 mins 19 pts (6-8 fg, 7-8 ft) 5reb 1ast 1to; 21 hoopla points.

Jolee had a rough day. Oh well...life in the Big 12.
26 mins 7 pts (3-7 fg, 1-6 ft) 7reb 1ast 2to 1stl; 5 hoopla points.

I've never seen a year like this.

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[Bob_Ballew]

Greenwalt is a great talent in my opinion. She had a really good game today against Baylor. Wow, I don't look forward to playing against her for three more years.

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[Press]

Cisti had a great game today. She was the only post player (or player for that matter) in the second half that could get anything done. I think she learned a lot today and you could tell her confidence was at an all time high. If she hadn't got a few of those weird fouls in the first half (3), she would have really heated up. I liked the look on her face in the second half. She was really showing us what she can do and that was great to see. To get very far this year, they'll need her to do that early and often.

[TXSNOS]

Greenwalt is going to be a great player for Tech. She's just a freshman, so give her a little time. I believe that in a year or two you will see the consistency that you want from a player with her skills and ability.

Tech may be having an off year for them, but watch out next year. With Greenwalt, Ayers, Perkins, Grant, and that Davis girl from the Houston area coming in, Tech should be able to move back up to the upper level of the Big 12.