Brooks to Mizzou?

[binchy]

I'm not sure if I heard this correctly, but I thought Deb Patterson mentioned Tiffany Brooks had transferred to Missouri on the coaches teleconference this morning. Anyone else heard anything?

[swok34]

Another reporter also asked Cindy Stein the same question....and she said she had. I think she can only practice at this point...
will she be eligible next season?

[YCN]

Strange thread on KSU board. Response says she left because she figured out she wasn't D-I material. If that was the case, it sure doesn't explain why she would transfer to another Big 12 school, which isn't just D-I, but high D-I.
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:Zl0QLtLXrvQJ:mb1.theinsiders.com/fkansasstatefrm4+%22tiffany+brooks%22+basketball&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

[swok34]

Cindy Stein mentioned that they recruited Brooks hard out of high school....

[Bball Girl]

Coach Stein said MU had heavily recruited Brooks in HS and they were thrilled that she would be playing next year for MU. She seemed to think Brooks is definately Big 12 caliber material. Maybe just not a good fit?

[MsProudSooner]

I was under the impression that if you transferred to another Big XII school, you had to sit out 2 years. Is this only in football?

[Jimi]

Originally posted by MsProudSooner:
I was under the impression that if you transferred to another Big XII school, you had to sit out 2 years. Is this only in football?

I don't know, but I do know she was given a full release with Coach Patterson's best wishes. Maybe a "full release" makes a difference? I would certainly think Tiffany Brooks can be a good Big 12 player. Like Sargent Shultz "I know nothing" but I am guessing that the "fit" is as likely a reason as any. I did have the impression that things were not going well for her.

She had an outstanding high school record and I have a lot of respect for the KSU's coach's evaluation of talent. Bear in mind that Coach P. had said that she was not going to use any picks on anyone who she could not expect to be a starter at some point. The idea that Brooks can't play D1 ball seems silly to me. Good luck to her at Mizzou.

Btw as far as I am concerned THIS is the KSU WCBB board.

[swok34]

I was under the impression that if you transferred to another Big XII school, you had to sit out 2 years. Is this only in football?

The radio announcers made a comment about ISU's Katie Robinette, who transferred from Nebraska. I think you only sit one year, but lose a year of eligibility????

[Row6Seat10]

Originally posted by swok34:
I think you only sit one year, but lose a year of eligibility????

You are right swok34!

When you transfer from a Big 12 school to another Big 12 school, conference rules state you must sit out one year and loose 1 year of eligibility. Now if you transfer out of the conference you must sit out 1 year but you don't loose a year of eligibility. The Big 12 rule was implemented to discourage players transferring from one Big 12 team to another.

[YCN]

I'm pretty sure that a player who chooses to transfer without the blessing of the school loses one year of eligibility if transferring to any other Division I or II school, except that if they transfer to another school within the Big 12, without the full release of the school, they lose two years of eligibility.

Most conferences have the same rule. The only time you don't lose a year of eligibility when you transfer is when you transfer out of the NCAA or to a Division III school.

I'll double-check that against the NCAA rules, but I'm fairly certain that it correct. Former OU football player Brent Rawls transferred to Louisiana Tech, with this year being the year he sits out. He would have been a sophomore at OU, but he will be a junior at Tech. If he had transferred to any Big 12 school he would have had only a senior year left.

[YCN]

I need to correct my last post. If you transfer from one Division I school to another you lose a year of eligibility, with or without the release from your school.

Without the release, you lose two years if you transfer to another school within the conference, at least in the Big 12.

With the release you still lose one year regardless of where you transfer within NCAA Division I.

Since the NCAA has no control over NAIA schools, and Division III schools are non-scholarship, the rule does not apply in those cases.

[Row6Seat10]

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one here YCN. If Katie Robinette would of stayed at Nebraska she would of been a junior this year. She transferred after her freshman year sat out last year and is playing now. Hence she missed her sophomore season. She is listed as a junior on the Iowa State roster and will play her senior year next year. She got her release but with her transferring, was the reason Sanderford resigned. Now if she would loose 2 years of eligibility she should be listed as a senior.

I was under the understanding if you transfer to another team within the Big 12 conference you sit out 1 year and loose only 1 year of eligibility.

KC Cowgill transferred from NU to Southwest Missouri after her sophomore season sat out last year and is playing this year as a junior.

The Huskers also got Latoya Howell a transfer from Air Force this season. She played her freshmen and sophomore seasons at Air Force and will be a junior next year for the Huskers after sitting out this season. A few years back the Huskers had a player named Casey Leonhardt a transfer from Illinois, She played her first 2 seasons with Illinois and came to Nebraska and played two years here. I'm not sure but some how they didn't loose any eligibility.

[YCN]

Row6Seat10 - I did some research on this, and it isn't NCAA rules that cause players to lose eligibility on transfer, it's the signing of a national letter of intent.

At all Division I schools of which I am aware, all of their scholarship athletes are required to sign NLI's in order to be granted a scholarship. This is to protect the institution's investment in the player. As a guarantee that the player will play at a certain institution, it is when a player transfers that these penalties come into play.


Here is the "Transferring" section of the NLI FAQ, and I've provided a link.

http://www.national-letter.org/faq/

<blockquote><hr><h4>Transferring</h4><ol> Is a National Letter of Intent binding if the coach of my sport leaves the institution to take another position?

Yes. The National Letter of Intent you signed with an institution is valid if the coach that recruited you leaves the institution with which you signed. When you sign a National Letter of Intent you sign with an institution and not with a coach or a specific team</li>

Do I sign a National Letter of Intent if I transfer to another four-year institution?

No. A student-athlete transferring from one four-year institution to another four-year institution may not sign a National Letter of Intent.</li>

What happens if I change my mind and do not want to attend the institution with which I sign and want to attend another National Letter of Intent institution?

If you do not attend the institution with which you signed, or if you do not fulfill the terms of the National Letter of Intent, the basic penalty is that you lose two years of eligibility and must serve two years in residence at your next National Letter of Intent institution.</li>

Can the Basic Penalty, which calls for the loss of two years of eligibility and requires that I serve two years in residence at the next National Letter of Intent Institution, be reduced?

Yes. The Basic Penalty under the National Letter of Intent agreement may be reduced by entering into a Qualified Release Agreement with the signing institution. By entering into a Qualified Release Agreement, the institution and the student-athlete mutually agree to release each other from any commitment and liability related to signing a National Letter of Intent. Pursuant to the Qualified Release Agreement, you may not represent a second National Letter of Intent institution in any sport during your first year of residence and you will be charged with the loss of one season of competition in all sports.</li>

Who executes the Qualified Release Agreement?

The Qualified Release Agreement must be executed by the Director of Athletics (or a designee), your parent or legal guardian and yourself. Your coach does not sign the Qualified Release Agreement. Furthermore, your coach does not have the authority to release you from your National Letter of Intent obligations.</li>

Is the Qualified Release Agreement the same as the One-Time Transfer Exception as set forth in NCAA Bylaw 14.5.5.2.10?

No. The Qualified Release Agreement and the NCAA One-Time Transfer Exception are two different policies. Pursuant to NCAA Bylaw 14.5.5.2.10 (One-Time Transfer Exception), a student-athlete who has not previously transferred from a four-year institution and does not participate in the sports of Division I basketball, Division I-A football or Division I men's ice hockey, may transfer and not have to serve a year in residence under NCAA rules. To use the One-Time Transfer Exception, the student-athlete must have been in good academic standing and fulfilled progress toward degree requirements at the previous institution. Furthermore, the student-athlete must have been eligible at the previous institution and the previous institution must have no objection to the student being granted an exception to the NCAA residence requirement. The fact a student is eligible for the NCAA One-Time Transfer Exception does not mean a student-athlete has received a Qualified Release Agreement pursuant to the National Letter of Intent Program, nor does the One-Time Transfer Exception eliminate the penalty provisions of the National Letter of Intent.

The Qualified Release Agreement is a specific document created by the National Letter of Intent Program. You may obtain a copy of the Qualified Release Agreement in the Document Library or from the compliance coordinator at your institution. If you have any questions about NCAA transfer and eligibility regulations, please contact the NCAA at (317) 917-6222.</li>

Is an institution required to grant a Qualified Release Agreement if requested?

No. Just as the National Letter of Intent is a voluntary agreement, the Qualified Release Agreement is voluntary in nature. An institution is not required to provide you with a Qualified Release Agreement. If an institution denies your request for a Qualified Release Agreement, you may petition the National Letter of Intent Steering Committee for such an agreement. In order to petition the NLI Steering Committee you must document in writing that you requested a Qualified Release Agreement from the Director of Athletics of the signing institution and that your request was denied. Once proper documentation has been submitted, the NLI Steering Committee will consider your request. Petitions to the NLI Steering Committee should be sent to the NLI Program, 2201 Richard Arrington, Jr. Blvd. N., Birmingham, Alabama 35203.</li>

If I do not satisfy my National Letter of Intent agreement, may I practice or receive athletics aid at another National Letter of Intent institution?

Yes. Signing a National Letter of Intent does not impact your ability to practice or receive athletics aid at another National Letter of Intent institution. The Basic Penalty under the National Letter of Intent program is the loss of two years of eligibility in all sports and the requirement of two years in residence at the next National Letter of Intent institution.</li>

If I fail to honor my NLI commitment and do not attend the institution with which I signed, may another NLI member institution recruit me?

Yes, but only if you have received a Qualified Release Agreement from the institution with which you signed, or the institution that desires to recruit you is granted permission to do so by the institution with which you signed. (If permission to contact is granted, it is not limited to certain institutions, but to all institutions seeking to recruit the student-athlete.)</li>

If my request for a Qualified Release Agreement is denied, is the institution obligated to provide me an opportunity for a hearing as to why the request was denied?

No.</li>[/list=a]<hr></blockquote>

As you can see, the program does have loss of eligibility provisions regarding transfers. I think this adequately addresses this issue.



[This message has been edited by YCN (edited 01-20-2004).]

[YCN]

This is an expansion of what I just posted.

Katie Robinette was a true freshman in 2001-2002 at Nebraska. A player has 5 calendar years to complete 4 seasons of eligibility after signing a letter of intent.

Katie played as a true freshman then transferred, sitting out one year. That one lost year of eligibility makes her a junior, rather than a redshirt sophomore. That means she must complete her college eligibility next year. Without the transfer she would have been able to extend her eligibility through the 2005-2006 season. She didn't lose 2 years of eligibility because she got a release.

K.C. Cowgill's situation is similar. She was a true sophomore at Nebraska, and sat out a year at SMS. With one lost year of eligibility she is now a 4th year junior at SMS, and will finish her eligibility in 4 years rather than 5.

If either Robinette or Cowgill had redshirted their true freshman years prior to playing 1 and 2 seasons respectively at Nebraska, they would both be seniors right now. And if neither had received releases, neither would be playing this year, and they would be seniors next year under their actual circumstances.

And Latoya Howell is an entirely different situation. Cadets at the service academies who are athletes do not sign national letters of intent, because there isn't any reason for the academies to require them to do so.

They must be regularly accepted to the academy based upon their merits, and they sign a service agreement in order to attend those schools. Anyone who is released from that agreement is a free agent, and can go to any other institution without penalty, including another service academy!

Brent Rawls, formerly of the OU football program, sat out the 2002 season as a true freshman, and faced with almost no prospect for playing time this year, decided at the last moment to transfer to Lousiana Tech. This is his year sitting out, which would have been a redshirt freshman year. He will be a junior at La Tech next year, and must complete his eligibility in the 2005 season. He also received a release.

Coaches are very reluctant to deny a release to a player who wants to transfer, unless they feel like that player is likely to hurt them by playing for another team in their conference.

The biggest reason they are reluctant is that if potential recruits perceive that school to be unduly harsh toward athletes who wish to transfer, they may decide not to sign with that school, in case they change their minds in the future. A lot of athletes worry about being buried on the bench for their college careers, without a chance to contribute.

And there is an exception to schools requiring letters of intent, as I just noted in this post: the service academies. I'd forgotten about them.



[This message has been edited by YCN (edited 01-20-2004).]

[Row6Seat10]

Originally posted by YCN:

At all Division I schools of which I am aware, all of their scholarship athletes are required to sign NLI's in order to be granted a scholarship. This is to protect the institution's investment in the player. As a guarantee that the player will play at a certain institution, it is when a player transfers that these penalties come into play.

YCN, maybe I'm reading this wrong but I thought when you signed a letter of intent it was only good for 1 academic year at "said institution". And after your first year you never had to sign a letter of intent again.

If this should be the case I think the transferring rules you posted should apply to the athlete only if he or she should want to transfer the first year or until the NLI agreement is met. Do you agree?

Maybe it is, because it seems like a lot of scholarship players transfer after their first season without losing eligibility.

Does by signing a NLI really mean you are going to attend "said certain school" so that the recruiting process stops?

[YCN]

A player can sign one and only one valid national letter of intent. After that, you can never sign another. You fulfil the requirements of the letter with one year of academic residence at the school with which you signed the letter, but the tranfer provisions are still binding.

All of the details are spelled out at www.national-letter.org. (http://www.national-letter.org.)

Once you sign a letter of intent, all schools that participate in the NLI program are obligated to stop recruiting you. And if your NLI is subsequently ruled invalid (as happened to OU recruit Chijioke Onyenegecha) you may not sign another, but become a free agent.

If you sign a NLI but then either fail to meet entrance qualification for the school with whom you signed, your letter is nullified, and you may sign with any institution for which you are qualified. That happened to one OU football player, who signed a NLI with Florida, only to have Florida tell him they made a mistake and he couldn't attend school there. He'd already enrolled and had started attending classes! He is attending OU WITHOUT a NLI, and if he so desired could transfer without penalty.

Often players don't sign NLI's out of high school and attend a 2-year institution instead. They are then still eligible to sign a NLI after one to two years at that school, but they have to graduate in order to be eligible to sign a NLI.

[dem]

I am not understanding something or other here.

Here are some things I DO know:

Anne O'Neil transferred from Big 10 to Big 12, and sat out one year. She will end up playing four full seasons (one at Illinois, three at Iowa State).

Katie Robinette transferred within the Big 12. She also sat out one year, and she could have ended up playing three full seasons (one at Nebraska, and two at Iowa State). She will actually only play two and half, missing half a season at ISU due to pregnancy.

I think, but I'm not sure, that both players got releases.

I don't see how this squares with everything that was posted above, so I'm missing something.

[YCN]

If you sign a letter of intent and transfer to another 4 year school within Division I, then you lose one of the five years you originally had to complete four seasons of athletic competition, at the least. That scenario assumes you got a release from your previous school.

Without a release, you have three years in which to complete as many athletic seasons as you can, which would be 3 seasons at best.

A transfer with a release doesn't mean you lose a season of competition if you have not had a redshirt year. If you have, you lose one year with a release, two without.

Is that better?

[dem]

Okay, but if you transfer WITHIN the conference you lose an extra year, so that knocks you down to a maximum of three playing seasons, right?

[Jimi]

An article in todays Kansas City Star confirms Brooks to Mizzou. It also confirms that she will have to sit out a year. Coach Stein says she will help immediately by being a practice player and providing better practice competion for Evan Unrau. Deb Patterson is quoted as saying "I think obviously she's a Big 12 caliber player. We wish her the very best. I'm glad she's going to have that opportunity."

[YCN]

You lose the additional season of eligibility for transferring within the conference, unless you get a release, dem. With a release it's the same as out of conference.

Often a coach won't allow a release if the coach knows that the player is going to transfer to another conference team, but it isn't a hard-and-fast rule. Most of the time coaches will grant a release if they know the player is going out of conference, but some coaches develop really strong negative opinions of some players, and try to punish them by not allowing a release.

Probably 95% of the time a release is granted for transfers out of the conference, while the percentage is probably a lot better than 50% for transfers within conferences.

I could imagine the type of feelings a coach might have if they had a player like a Tiffany Jackson, or some other highly-skilled player, and that player wanted to transfer to your in-state rival...

[dem]

But Robinette DID get a release -- correct? -- and she is still losing an extra year. So why is that?

[YCN]

I've probably mis-stated my case somewhere along the way. Even with a release you must sit out one year. So if you have a release, and you've played one year and sat out one year, you should have 3 years remaining if you transfer OUT OF conference, and 2 years if you transfer within the conference. With the transfer within the conference, and the release, you lose one season of eligibility, and you must sit out one season. Thus Robinette becomes a junior after playing only one season.

Cowgill got a release and is playing in a different conference. She played the first 2 years of her 5-year eligibility, and with the release she loses no years, but had to sit out one year. So she is a 4th year junior.