Allright, lets just do it ourselves

[schooner2]

I too am tired of waiting for some info on this million fan march thing. So, lets just do it ourselves. Lets go to the Schedules/Results section of each team's official page and go through each boxscore and use the attendance recorded there. Lets do the math ourselves.

So as not to duplicate efforts, maybe we should just get one volunteer per team. First come/first assigned I say. I volunteer to calculate Oklahoma's. I'll have it up by tomorrow afternoon. If someone else wants to count OU's too, so be it. I'm just saying I'll also count it.

Anybody else volunteer to count up their team's?

[KSUron]

OK, K-State has made it easy. In the game notes after the game tonight (attendance 8,823) the total for the year is now 51,899. That's a new season home attendance record. The prior high was in 99-2000 with a season total of 49,068.

We still have home games v TTU (sold out), ISU (also sold out) and OU and MU. The OU & MU games are Wednesday games and are not sold out. Given what has happened so far this year it would not be unreasonable to expect crowds of at least 8,000 each for those games. If we don't go completly in the tank or have bad weather I expect between 92,000 to 98,000 fans for KSU regular season home games this year. That's counting chickens not yet hatched of course, but sales are already good for those games.

The record of 51,899 is what's in the bank now.


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[two cents]

<pre style="font size: 10pt;">
Texas Tech Attendance:

North Texas 13039
Rice 13116
So. Miss 13088
Vandy 13620
Kansas 13373
Oklahoma 14437
Baylor 13064
Okla St. 13023


Total to date 106760
avg. to date 13345
Projected total 173485
</pre>


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[Zo31]

Baylor Attendance

3147 UT Arlington
3614 Denver
3575 Sam Houston
3754 Boston
5432 UCLA
4463 Arkansas LR
4849 Air Force
4018 Kansas
10,031 Oklahoma
4538 Texas A&M

47,421 Total

TwoCents, that is incredible for Tech to average such high attendance. I sure hope Baylor reaches that milestone in the future. It Certainly helps the home team I'm sure.

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[DblT81]

I thought the Big 12's Joni whoever was reporting the progress of the Million Fan deal it on the Adobe .pdf release posted on the conference web site? No?

[carolann]

From the University of Texas website:

ATTENDANCE SUMMARY GAMES TOTALS AVG/GAME
HOME.................... 10 49745 4975
AWAY.................... 4 17435 4359
NEUTRAL................. 3 1996 665
TOTAL................... 17 69176 4069

We have 5 regular home games left. The highest attendance to date was 8,340 for the game against Texas Tech. I don't expect to see that number again during the regular season but we may have smaller spikes for games against OU, Texas A&M, and to a lesser extent Baylor. Attendance tends to be higher for traditional foes and highly ranked teams. Attendance for games against other in-state schools is boosted by fans from those schools.

[schooner2]

The latest release I see is on January 23rd. There is no mention of the million fan march that I can see.

[carolann]

P.S. - There will also be a lot of Texas fans for games at Baylor and Texas A&M!

[ISU3PointLand]

Here are ISU's totals:

DePaul 7,692
Mississippi St. 7,873
Iowa 12,579
Niagara 11,347
E. Kentucky 11,459
Northern Iowa 8,823
Kansas State 8,126
Nebraska 9,725
Oklahoma 11,148
Texas Tech 12,083

Total Attendance: 100,855
Projected: 141,197

[carolann]

I don't suppose we're going to be hearing from any Aggie fans in the near future. From the Texas A&M website:

ATTENDANCE SUMMARY GAMES TOTALS AVG/GAME
HOME.................... 9 13654 1517


With 6 home games left, projected total attendance based on the current average is a whopping 22,756.

The total could be a little higher because of who will be visiting College Station. Remaining home games include: 1/26 OKLAHOMA, 1/30 TEXAS TECH, 2/2 TEXAS, 2/13 BAYLOR, 2/16 MISSOURI, and 2/27 OKLAHOMA STATE. Texas Tech fans travel. I expect at least several hundred Texas fans to travel to College Station and I think Baylor fans might also go to the game at A&M.

[Bevo]

The attendance at UT is down this year, which is strange given that we are having the best year in awhile. At the games I've attended, there doesn't seem to be less people. I don't know if the new arena configuration makes it seem that way or if the counting method has changed (actual bodies vs. tickets sold).

Would like to see another 8,000+ for the Baylor game this Saturday.

[mred]

ISU's average is pulled down a bit by the two coaches vs. cancer games and the winter break games. I'd expect ISU to average at least 11,000 fans in the last four home games, especially since two of them are on Saturdays. This would put ISU's total around 145,000.

Also, there should be a lot of ISU fans @ Nebraska Saturday. The ISU men play @ Nebraska that evening, and I know a lot of ISU fans plan to go to the doubleheader (which isn't much of a doubleheader since there are several hours between the end of the WBB 1PM game and the MBB 8PM game).

Don't forget to factor in the Big XII tournament attendance. There were 31,831 last year, and KSU's rise (both in results and attendance) might bring a lot of purple to Memorial, so that may go up by a couple thousand.

[ISU3PointLand]

Ok, out of sheer boredom, I looked up the stats from the KU web site. We thought Texas A&M was doing badly!

Home attendance (8 games) - 7,894 (987 per game)
Projected (13 games) - 12,831

Schooner, what are OU's numbers?

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[mred]

I'm compiling all the numbers here just so we know what we have already. I'll edit this post as more come in.

Projected attendance:
TT 173,500
ISU 143,000
KSU 95,000
BU 81,000 (I assumed 10,000 for UT and TTU games and 4500 for other 3)
Texas 80,000 (I assumed 6000 avg for last 5 games)
OU 78,000
NU 44,000
CU 33,400
MU 28,000
OSU 27,500
TAMU 22,800
KU 12,800
Big XII Tournament: 32,000

TOTAL: 851,000 (before the NCAA tournament)

If OU hosts: 23,000 (2 games)
If ISU hosts: 25,000 (2 games)
If ISU makes it into the regional: 26,000 (2 games)
If TTU hosts: 26,000 (2 games)
If Baylor hosts: 20,000 (2 games)
If KSU hosts: 26,000 (2 games)
If Colorado hosts: 20,000 (2 games)
If Texas hosts:


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[soonerborn]

Here's what I came up with for OU - but, I can't pull up a box score for either the CU or the Illinois game.

28,554

[schooner2]

Oklahoma only has 12 home games.
<pre style="font size: 10pt;">
11/27/2001 TCU 3413
11/29/2001 Wichita State 3471
12/10/2001 Montana State 4615
12/16/2001 Illinois 4733
1/2/2002 Colorado 5302
1/9/2002 Oklahoma State 8402
1/19/2002 Texas 8653
2/2/2002 Kansas
2/5/2002 Baylor
2/9/2002 Texas A&M
2/16/2002 Nebraska
2/27/2002 Texas Tech
</pre>

Oklahoma has had a combined attendance of 38,589 through 7 games for a 5513 average.

I'm going to guess 7000 for Kansas on a Saturday. Same for Texas A&M and Nebraska which are on Saturdays. I'll go for 8000 for Baylor on a Tuesday. And I'll go 10,000 for Texas Tech - senior night. Wouldn't be surprised to see a sellout of 11,000+.

So, OU will likely see another 39,000 in attendance. I'll round up to around 78,000 in final attendance which equates to a 6500 per game average.

[schooner2]

Originally posted by mred:
I'm compiling all the numbers here just so we know what we have already. I'll edit this post as more come in.

TT 173,500
ISU 143,000
KSU 95,000
BU 81,000 (I assumed 10,000 for UT and TTU games and 4500 for other 3)
Texas 80,000 (I assumed 6000 avg for last 5 games)
TAMU 22,800
KU 12,800
Tournament: 32,000

TOTAL:

These are projections I take it? If so, put in 78,000 for Oklahoma.

[schooner2]

Are we allowed to make a final projection before all ballots are counted? What is our recount procedure http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif

Hopefully those counting tickets at the games aren't having to deal with dimpled chads!

[mred]

Originally posted by schooner:
These are projections I take it? If so, put in 78,000 for Oklahoma.

Yes and done.

I did Oklahoma State:

Tulsa 2230
Oral Roberts 2302
SE Louisiana 1693
Northern Arizona 3421
Marshall 1276
Prairie View 1104
Missouri 1548
Texas 1614
Kansas State 2255
Total: 17443
Avg: 1938

Projected total (5 games left): 27,500

[carolann]

Will the count include the following:

(1) Big 12 Tournament?
(2) NCAA host sites?

3 or 4 Big 12 schools could be hosting the first 2 rounds of the tournament http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/biggrin.gif .

[mred]

Originally posted by carolann:
[B](1) Big 12 Tournament?
(2) NCAA host sites?
[B]

(1) I believe it does.
(2) Dunno. Anyone have last year's Million Fan total, and does it include the NCAA tournament?

[mred]

Missouri:

SMS 4139
SE Louisiana 1229
SEMO 1421
UNI 1046
Ark.-Pine Bluff 1180
Wisconsin-Green Bay 2015
Texas Tech 1372
Nebraska 2322
Baylor 2627

Total: 17351
Avg: 1928
Projected (5 games left): 28,000

[schooner2]

I know it included the Big 12 Tournament. Gotta assume it will include NCAA Tournament. The only goal is to see how many fans watch Big 12 basketball. If they were doing an intercomparison with other leagues, then they would have to consider how to deal with things like both post-season tourneys. Not to mention not every league has 16 conference games.

So lets assume NCAA games hosted do count.

Might as well give OU two sellouts of say, 11,500 each.

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[mred]

Colorado:

Oral Roberts 1929
San Diego 2474
Bowling Green 1760
Houston 2012
Iowa 2160
Air Force 1788
Wyoming 1170
Texas 3774
OSU 2454
Texas A&M 2858
Iowa State 2554

Total: 23349
Avg.: 2122
Projected (4 games left): 33,400

[mred]

This should be the last one...

Nebraska:

Southern Illinois 3275
Creighton 3349
Weber St. 2540
TAMU-CC 2036
Chicago State 2603
Texas 3394
Texas A&M 2585
Kansas 4577

Total: 24359
Avg.: 3045
Projected attendance (5 games left): 44,000 (three weekend games against area rivals will raise attendance)

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[mred]

Baylor, Texas, Texas Tech, Colorado, and KSU fans: how many people will show up if your team hosts a sub-regional? OU and ISU have been done.

[schooner2]

Originally posted by mred:
Baylor, Texas, Texas Tech, Colorado, and KSU fans: how many people will show up if your team hosts a sub-regional? OU and ISU have been done.

You gotta think KSU and TTU will sell out. Baylor should be pretty close. Texas? Colorado?

[mred]

So that's perhaps 26,000 each for KSU and Tech. I'll add that.

[kate dawg]

if CU were to host a subregional, i really think they would draw 10K for sure. CU fans come out in droves once it's time for postseason.

[carolann]

I'm sorry. I really have no idea how many fans Texas will draw if we host the NCAA subregionals.

[BEAR SKIN]

Baylor would be a lock to sell out 10k+

It was SRO for the WNIT in Waco.

[Texan]

I'll ask how many tickets we sold the last time ut hosted and see if I can come up with a number. I noticed on the big 12 women's basket ball press release that they are listing the average attendance to wbb games and has Texas at 5049.

[YCN]

Within the spirit of the thread, I would like to let others on this board know what I have been spending a whole lot of time on lately, and where I stand at this point.

I have been collecting the official box scores of the games of every team in the conference, for every game that they have played this year. I am trying to collect the officially submitted box scores from both teams in each game, but so far I haven't even made it through the Big 12 schools, and expect the non-conference opponents' official boxes to be even harder to collect.

With each box score I'm associating a hyperlink to the page where the box was taken, and I plan to archive those pages, if I can get permission from the schools involved.

Right now my estimate is that I am about 35% complete on my project, which I only started a couple of weeks ago. You have no idea how much work is involved in this. Basically, for now, I am just copying and pasting the official boxes, since they are submitted to the NCAA as plain text anyway.

I have a lot of ideas of what can be done with this information in terms of recording the history of the Big 12 Conference, but I just don't know if the task is completely do-able by just one person. Also, it would be really helpful to also associate various write-ups by sports journalists on all these games.

Once again, that part of the equation is dictated by whether or not I can get permission to get the stories along with the boxes. I can't imagine anyone trying to hinder the history of this sport by denying permission to archive the history of the game, but you just never know.

Anyway, if anyone has any comments or suggestions regarding this project, I'm more than willing to listen to them. BTW, there are official boxes that I have found that contain errors, including the actual date of the game that was played.

I hate history.

[HoopScoop]

Originally posted by YCN:
With each box score I'm associating a hyperlink to the page where the box was taken, and I plan to archive those pages, if I can get permission from the schools involved.

I don't see why this would be a problem. If this is public domain knowledge out on the internet - then you should be able to archive (repackage it) - just can't sell it. I was afraid when I started using logos and pics on this site about copyright infringement. But I was basically told that as long as I'm not selling the information to anyone then I'm doing no wrong.

[b]Anyway, if anyone has any comments or suggestions regarding this project, I'm more than willing to listen to them. BTW, there are official boxes that I have found that contain errors, including the actual date of the game that was played./B]

Have you found boxes from Big 12 schools that contain errors? How do the "official" boxes differ from what the official university web sites put on their web pages?

[YCN]

HoopScoop, I just take text from pages that is in plain text, that say "Official basketball box score".

I am clueless beyond that. The schools could post phony "official" boxes for all I know, and I wouldn't know otherwise. It WOULD be nice if the NCAA allowed the public access to the actual official boxes that they receive. If you know a way to access those, I'd love to hear about it.

Also, maybe less than half a dozen scores that I have collected so far are definitely not official, but I figure I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. OSU and CU seem to be the worst violators regarding the posting of official boxes.

[schooner2]

So, to sum up, below is the pie in the sky, chamber of commerce numbers:
<pre style="font size: 10pt;">
TEAM ACTUAL PROJECTED
KSU 51,899 95,000
TTU 106760 173500
BU 47421 81000
UT 49745 80000
ISU 100855 143000
TAMU 13654 22800
KU 7894 13000
OU 38589 78000
NU 24359 44000
CU 23349 33400
MU 17351 28000
OSU 17443 27500
499,319 819,200

Big XII 35000

NCAA
OU 23000
TTU 27000
BU 20000
KSU 26000
UT 14000
CU 20000
ISU 26000
ISU 26000

Grand Total 1,036,200
</pre>

Looks like the Big 12 has drawn 499,319 fans so far. Next game should send the conference over the half million mark. I projected about 35000 for the Big XII Tournament - mred, I didn't know if you were using last year's numbers or not. I then used mred's projections on hosting. I gave Texas only 14000 if they hosted. Probably could be more. But even if the Big 12 were to have 7 teams hosting, the conference would just barely surpass the million mark.

How many teams end up hosting should be interesting to find out. It's not like the 7 ranked teams of the Big 12 are all at the bottom of the Top 25. In fact, all but 1 is in the Top 15. So who knows? Gotta think that the selection committee wouldn't let that many from once conference host though. If the Big 12 got 5 hosts and ISU got to the regional and played at Ames - the million mark might just be possible.

[HoopScoop]

YCN, I actually sat down by a SID and watched her load up the "official" boxscore to a web site couple years back. What is posted on the university web sites is the exact official digital copy. If it looks like the following, it should be official:

<pre style="font size: 10pt;">
OFFICIAL BASKETBALL BOX SCORE -- G A M E T O T A L S
Colorado vs Oklahoma Sooners
1-2-02 7:00 p.m. at Norman, Okla
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
VISITORS: Colorado 10-4, 0-1
TOT-FG 3-PT REBOUNDS
No. N A M E FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF TP A TO BLK S MIN
22 Scott, Sabrina f 2-5 2-2 0-0 1 1 2 1 6 0 0 1 3 21
42 Bohman, Eisha f 2-7 0-0 1-2 1 3 4 4 5 3 5 0 2 34
50 Bjorklund, Tera c 8-11 0-0 0-0 0 4 4 1 16 1 4 2 2 27
21 Roulier, Jenny g 1-10 1-8 0-0 0 2 2 2 3 3 3 0 2 23
23 Nightingale, Mandy g 6-17 3-9 5-5 0 3 3 3 20 4 4 0 2 36
00 Hartshorn, Britt 1-5 0-0 2-2 3 1 4 0 4 0 3 0 0 12
01 Fagan, Kate 2-3 1-2 0-0 0 0 0 2 5 0 0 0 0 15
03 Stafford, Syreeta 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
05 Johns-Richardson, V. 2-3 1-1 0-0 0 0 0 1 5 2 0 0 0 5
13 Lappe, Linda 1-1 0-0 0-0 2 0 2 1 2 1 2 0 2 14
30 Spencer, Diana 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 1 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 3
54 Wirt, Randie 0-0 0-0 1-2 0 2 2 1 1 2 1 0 1 9
TEAM ........................................ 3 6 9
TOTALS 25-62 8-22 9-11 10 23 33 16 67 16 24 3 14 200

TOT-FG 1stH: 7-27 25.9% 2ndH: 18-35 51.4% OT: 0-0 00.0% Game: 40.3% Deadbl
3pt-FG 1stH: 3-12 25.0% 2ndH: 5-10 50.0% OT: 0-0 00.0% Game: 36.4% Rebs
FThrow 1stH: 5-6 83.3% 2ndH: 4-5 80.0% OT: 0-0 00.0% Game: 81.8% 2

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
HOME TEAM: Oklahoma Sooners 11-1, 1-0
TOT-FG 3-PT REBOUNDS
No. N A M E FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF TP A TO BLK S MIN
10 Hill, Caton f 6-12 1-3 3-3 4 10 14 4 16 1 6 0 3 35
45 Talbert, Jamie f 3-4 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 4 6 0 1 0 0 19
20 Caufield, LaNeishea g 6-17 1-3 3-4 4 4 8 2 16 2 5 0 5 35
21 Dales, Stacey g 2-12 0-3 2-2 2 1 3 0 6 5 5 0 1 31
33 Ross, Rosalind g 10-16 2-6 3-5 3 5 8 2 25 0 2 0 3 34
12 Shoush, Lauren 0-1 0-1 0-0 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 9
35 Jackson, Dionnah 4-6 0-0 1-2 3 3 6 0 9 3 1 1 2 21
40 Selmon, Shannon 0-1 0-0 0-0 0 1 1 4 0 1 1 0 0 16
TEAM ........................................ 2 2 4
TOTALS 31-69 4-16 12-16 18 27 45 16 78 13 22 1 14 200

TOT-FG 1stH: 14-33 42.4% 2ndH: 17-36 47.2% OT: 0-0 00.0% Game: 44.9% Deadbl
3pt-FG 1stH: 3-9 33.3% 2ndH: 1-7 14.3% OT: 0-0 00.0% Game: 25.0% Rebs
FThrow 1stH: 2-3 66.7% 2ndH: 10-13 76.9% OT: 0-0 00.0% Game: 75.0% 1

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
OFFICIALS: Scotty Herman, Kelly Copeland, Cameron Inouye
TECHNICAL FOULS:
Colorado - none
Oklahoma Sooners - none
ATTENDANCE: 5,302
SCORE BY PERIODS: 1st 2nd OT1 OT2 OT3 OT4 TOTAL
Colorado 22 45 67
Oklahoma Sooners 33 45 78
</pre>

Practically 95% of these should be available over the university web sites. You may run into a couple of these as missing.

[YCN]

schooner, am I mistaken here? I didn't think that a team could host a regional and also play in it...

Am I wrong?

[YCN]

Yup, that is exactly what they look like to me too.

What is interesting is to see the individual styles of the official boxes depending on the school, for instance, ISU loves to put "comments" into their scores regarding milestones reached by players in their program, and KU seems almost obsessive about posting the most officially correct "Official box scores" of any Big 12 school.

[schooner2]

Originally posted by YCN:
schooner, am I mistaken here? I didn't think that a team could host a regional and also play in it...

Am I wrong?

I've heard it stated several times that ISU has the opportunity to play at home up until the Final Four. I guess there is no official rule on where a team cannot play.

[mred]

Originally posted by YCN:
schooner, am I mistaken here? I didn't think that a team could host a regional and also play in it...

Am I wrong?

Quite the opposite, in fact. ISU is guaranteed to play its third and fourth round games in Ames. Even if ISU doesn't host a subregional, they will play in Ames if they make the Sweet 16.

[swok34]

I think Washington had the same deal in the West regional last year, right?.....they didn't host, I think they were a #6 seed?
and won the 1st and 2nd rounds in Florida, and were able to come home and play in their regional.