M-R Ejection

[BigUtFan]

I did not see ot hear anything about the TT-Bay game except for the final score on ESPN2. I read the article in the Dallas Morning News. She is a good young coach, but I feel she needs to contain her emotions. Her team is feeling the brunt of a very easy non-conference schedule and a very over-rated ranking in the early stages. Be there for your team and stop whining to the refs on every non-call. She has a good ways to go before she catches up with Conradt, Sharp, Fennelly and Coale...listed in no particular order.

[swok34]

I found the Waco Tribune article, but can't find the Dallas Morning News link......could someone link the article?
http://www.wacotrib.com/auto/feed/sports/2002/01/17/1011248171.00926.3591.0594.html

Have any women's Big 12 coaches ever been thrown out of a game? I don't recall that ever happening in Sherri Coale's era...actually I only recall the bench drawing 1 foul ever + the technical they drew Tuesday nite.
If I remember correctly, I don't care for Jeff Caudle at all.



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[kate dawg]

jody conradt was ejected at CU in 1998 for the first time in her career.

[carolann]

Jody Conradt was ejected from a game at Colorado a couple of years ago. I think it is the only ejection of her career to date.

[carolann]

kate dawg, we must have been typing at the same moment. I'm sure your response wasn't there when I started typing mine.

[BigUtFan]

Originally posted by kate dawg: Wow!!!! You're kidding right? I was unaware of this. Do you remenber the specifics?
jody conradt was ejected at CU in 1998 for the first time in her career.

[Zo31]

BigUTFan, I have to disagree with you on this one. Coach Kim does a very good job and she is already a very well-respected coach and deservedly so. As a 1st and 2nd year coach, you are naturally going to go with a certain type of schedule until you and the team get their feet on the ground. Baylor has two tremendously talented players in Sheila Lambert and Danielle Crockrom and a supporting cast that has been ranked highly based upon potential. Unfortunately, they have also struggled at times. Coach Kim feels that frustration and considering the fact that most of the posters here on HoopScoop have blasted the Big XII officials and their calling, maybe her actions will generate more reactions by other coaches. I certainly hope so. Like I have said before, it is entertaining to watch good coaches work the officials.

IMO the coaches you have listed don't come close to having the credentials that coach Kim has.

[DblT81]

Originally posted by Zo31:
IMO the coaches you have listed don't come close to having the credentials that coach Kim has.


Ahem. Coach Sharp and Conradt have been head coaches of NC teams. Sharp was National Coach of the Year in 1994. Sharp was a 5 time SWC coach of the year and has won the Big 12 Coach of the Year. Her teams have been ranked in the top 25 in the nation every week for 10 consecutive years. Exactly which of these credentials are not close to what KMR has?

[Zo31]

I knew I would get a rise out of someone. I was actually referring to her overall stats, four consecutive state champs in LA, 2 National tiles and 2 more final four appearances as a player, seven final fours as assistant coach, gold medalist, etc...

I am old enough to remember when Jody coached at Midway here near Waco, certainly she and Marsha Sharp are great coaches as well as good players.

[swok34]

I came across a picture of Chris Gobrecht and can't find where I found it at.......

but, I sincerely hope not a single Big 12 coach ever, ever stoops down to this level.......
http://www.ocregister.com/sports/wombk00115cci.shtml

I recall watch KMR play in high school, heck I played against her......and I absolutely was amazed http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif. I've followed her ever since I saw her score 50 points on the team I was on (yea, we were baaaadddd.)...seriously, she was that good of a player.

[Bobcat4956]

Nobody doubts what a GREAT coach Mulkey-Robertson is. However, I feel comparing her to legends is a bit premature. She has all the tools to be there someday. Her energy and ability to motivate players is truly amazing. It, however, will be interesting to see what she does next year when she does not have Lambert or Crockrom. She is certainly fun to watch.

[two cents]

Originally posted by Zo31:
IMO the coaches you have listed don't come close to having the credentials that coach Kim has.

This was such a bizarre assertion I did not think I could respond properly without a dissertation(which may be forthcoming anyway). I would have said KMR certainly exceeded the others as a player, so I was glad to see the amended claim.

Short of a dissertation, I would say that this conference has great coaches. Even the coach of lowly Kansas, Marian Washington, has established very impressive credentials over a long tenure. Coach Stein as a relatively new coach seems intent on building a consistent program. Gillom, another relatively new coach, hasn't proven anything yet, but I'm still optimistic for her. Patterson is proving herself this year, although I think it was already obvious she knew what she was doing several years ago.



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[cyfanatic]

Hey SWOK34, thanks for the above link. I agree with you in that I hope no Big Twelve coach behaves as the USC-UCLA coaches did. For that matter, I hope Big Twelve players don't behave the same way. One of the reasons I enjoy women's basketball so much more than men's is the display of sportsmanship, and games like that doesn't help the cause.

[BigUtFan]

Originally posted by Zo31:I agree and I disagree with your comments. I do not recall saying that MR was not respected as a person or coach. I was around when she was playing softball on men's teams and certainly do recall her illustrious high school and collegiate careers. I simply stated that, without implying it, she has two All-Americans on her squad and why would you pad your non-conference games? Do you recall their EARLY exit from the NCAA last year? With the nucleus returning, I would think one should schedule some Top 25 teams before getting down to the rugged Big 12. Now, about the last statement of credentials........Wow!!! What were you thinking? Look at Sharp and Conradt alone. Their credentials are so impressive, I can not begin to list them. Anyway, it is time to move on to another topic at this point.........
BigUTFan, I have to disagree with you on this one. Coach Kim does a very good job and she is already a very well-respected coach and deservedly so. As a 1st and 2nd year coach, you are naturally going to go with a certain type of schedule until you and the team get their feet on the ground. Baylor has two tremendously talented players in Sheila Lambert and Danielle Crockrom and a supporting cast that has been ranked highly based upon potential. Unfortunately, they have also struggled at times. Coach Kim feels that frustration and considering the fact that most of the posters here on HoopScoop have blasted the Big XII officials and their calling, maybe her actions will generate more reactions by other coaches. I certainly hope so. Like I have said before, it is entertaining to watch good coaches work the officials.

IMO the coaches you have listed don't come close to having the credentials that coach Kim has.

[Bob_Ballew]

BigUTFan, LOL. I laugh because earlier in the season, folks were ragging on Conradt and that maybe time had come for her to hang it up. She is certainly one of the greatest to ever coach the game. Coale, on the other hand is a terrific coach but Kim has much more playing, recruiting and coaching experience than her (maybe not as HEAD coach, but it all counts). I certainly don't see coach Kim's efforts to work the refs as "whining". I don't know much about Fennelly, other than he is an excellent coach as well from what I have observed over the years. Obviously he didn't play against the girls. Sharp, what can I say?! She is a legend also.

Maybe you are right about Baylor needing to schedule some top 25 teams this year. I always thought the bulk of the scheduling is booked out in advance and there are obligations to play certain teams that have previously committed to play.

[ISUbballfan]

Bill Fennelly has been ask to leave 2 times. The first was an exhibition game. The cheerleaders throw out T-shirts for each 3 point basket. It was toward the end of the game the cheerleader was messing around and a shirt landed on the floor in front of the ISU bench. The play was at the other end of the court Bill went out to get it off the floor and got a T then he got mad and got tossed.

The second time was against Nebraska. The ref were so bad. Bill got a standing ovation from the fans.

[RaiderPower1]

The ISU men's coach is pretty emotional as well isn't he. I can remember a time when he was ejected. Is that right?

[ISUbballfan]

You can say that again.

[Bball Girl]

Didn't the OSU coach, Dick Halterman get tossed either last year or the year before? I have faint memories of some kind of reprimand from OSU, etc?

Kim Mulkey Robertson is the reason why I started watching women's basketball. Having no athletic prowess whatsoever..but if I did I would aspire to be a PG just like Kim. Her intensity and passion for the game and her work ethic was always evident on the court. She still has the passion and intensity and expects all of her players to come with that work ethic. Her comments show not only her frustration with the call, but also with her team who she said did not come ready to play.

The ejection not only rattled her team, it rattled Tech too...everyone was out of sorts.

[swok34]

you're right....Halterman did get tossed out of a game last year...don't remember the game, I think I recall that he also got reprimanded by Oklahoma State.

[metromaniac]

I don't quite understand the issue of a coach being ejected as a significant one. IMO, all coaches are entitled to a few well timed and also IMO necessary ejections. When done to let the team know you are fighting for them or when a situation warrants it.

Mulk's sounded like it was being upset with her team's effort, but also because of back to back bad calls she felt inhibited her team to try to climb back into the game.

From all these posts, and the historical remembrances of coaches in this league being ejected, it sure doesn't sound like the Big 12 has any problem in this area.

I think this one was,in Mulk's opinion at that time of the game, one of those that was necessary. I trust her judgment and we should give her the benefit of knowing what she was doing until she proves otherwise.

[elfdenmom]

I was at the game and saw the incident. I have no idea what she said initially, but I have to say that that second "T" came unbelievably fast. Anyway I can't see that she did any more coming on the court that most of the other coaches in the league have done without repercussions in plenty of the games I have seen.

Jeff Caudle is as sorry an excuse for an official as I have seen. I always hate to see him on the floor. He is totally inconsistent and seems to want to control the outcome of every game instead of letting the players do that.

Anyway the officials were roundly booed by the Tech fans when they left the court at the half even though it was the Baylor coach who was ejected.