UT vs. TT

[BigUtFan]

After reading through the message board, I find it interesting that TT fans or observers seem to have gone ballistic over a very well-played game by both teams. I too, was there, seated a few rows back from court-side and found the game to be thrilling down to the last overtime seconds. Where was the unsportsmanship by UT players? I find it interesting, now that the "tide" has turned and Texas is the much better team, loaded with talent, that TT fans want to bash UT for detrimental conduct? Wow!!!! I am confused. Did I not see Marsha Sharp and her three amigos lambasting the officials every opportunity they had? Did I not see Tarr throwing elbows on almost every drive to the basket? Did I not witness two very good teams going tooth and nail in an attempt to gain control of the Big 12 race? I believe that the name Conradt is defined by Webster's as the epitome of class. Never once in the "down" years did JC do anything but attempt to put UT back in the upper echelon of women's basketball. This has happened this year....a little sooner than I thought, but we'll take it. Wins over #6 and #10 in one week!!!! It speaks for itself. My suggestions to TT fans would be to quit whining and go back to the drawing boards and determine what the problems are within the teams infrastructure and realize they were beaten by a beter ball-club on Sunday and were certainly out-coached by a legend in the sports world.

Let's go Lady Horns and get OSU and OU this week......

[Press]

I think this point has been made on previous threads, so why doesn't everyone just move one and not creating posts about it.

It's amazying that you don't hear much out of the some fans (except for a few and you know who you are) until you start having a good year, then you come out of the woodwork pounding your chest.

Yes, Tech is having an unexpected bad year, it's not fun, but those are the facts and we the fans must face them. UT is having a good year those are the facts and luckily we have another game to make it even, just like last year.

The conference race is far from over, so let's just all quit flaming about who has more class than the other because it's immature crap! For those fellow Tech posters, I challenge you to rise above that kind of conversation. Those kinds of posts make me not want to read these boards because it's so negative and petty. Don't get me wrong, I don't want this board to be a big fake lovefest, but repectful commentary and bantering is enjoyable. Win or lose let's not make it so personal. At least that's what I think most of us want around here anyway.

It wouldn't be any fun if we didn't have rivalries, but that like alot of other things has to be kept into perspective and not taken too far. I just enjoy being a fan of the game and the Big XII has it's share of great games and rivalries, so let's have fun with it!

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[schooner2]

Originally posted by BigUtFan:
My suggestions to TT fans would be to quit whining and go back to the drawing boards and determine what the problems are within the teams infrastructure and realize they were beaten by a beter ball-club on Sunday and were certainly out-coached by a legend in the sports world.


I agree with your sentiments until the end. Just because Texas Tech lost on overtime game in Austin doesn't mean it's time to go back to the drawing board - or - realize they were beatin by a better team - or - feel they were outcoached. All because they happened to lose a very close game? Texas came very close to losing the game. If TTU won by a couple of points does that mean then that Texas has to go back to the drawing board - or - feel they are inferior to Tech - or - feel Sharp outcoached by Conradt?

Bottome-line: the matchup of Stephens and Schreiber against Tech is clearly in Texas's favor, for now. Tech didn't have an answer for those two - especially down the stretch. Stephens was rebounding (offensive rebounds at that) at will and getting 2nd and 3rd chance shots at the basket. Or getting fouled in the process and converting free throws.

I don't believe anyone can make any sweeping conclusions that there is a lot wrong at Tech just cuz they lose in overtime in Austin. What that means to me is that both of these team deserve to be very near the Top 10 in the country and, right now, I'd put Texas a spot or two ahead of Tech. Let's wait till February 6th and see how things come out in Lubbock.

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[schooner2]

Originally posted by Press:
Yes, Tech is having an unexpected bad year, it's not fun, but those are the facts and we the fans must face them. UT is having a good year those are the facts and luckily we have another game to make it even, just like last year.


Some people do need to take a chill pill. This is ONE game. And I very much disagree that Tech is having a bad year. On the one hand we all say that the Big 12 is the toughest league in the nation. But then when Tech loses 3 in a roll in conference all of a sudden Tech is a bad team. Come on people. Tech lost to an extremely good Oklahoma team and a Texas team (top 10) on the road. They had one bad game against Missouri. Sure, you don't want to start 1-3 in conference but that is what the schedule has handed Tech so far. Do we forget what happened in 1999-2000 season so soon? Tech started 0-2 in conference but finished 13-3. Don't forget there's 12 conference games left and don't forget the Big 12 Conference is the best in the land.

Oh, sorry Press. I'm not really talking to you. I just happened to use your post to get my thoughts across which was primarily directed at many of the other posts in other threads.

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[Press]

No, that's cool, maybe my choice of words was wrong, maybe a down year would be better. I think we're spoiled and think that losing three straight conference games is "having a bad year". It is bad compared to what we're used to and that's why we all need to put everything into perspective.

It takes a special team to dominate in this conference and a very good team to finish in the top 4. We shall see how it all pans out. As Marsha Sharp stated, being able to "win enough games to be able to play on in March" is now this teams goal. It appears that the team and coaches have made this adjustment, now it's up to the fans to do the same.

[Bobcat4956]

Tech would in all probability be a much better with Plennete Pierson. I give Marsha Sharp a lot of credit for improvising. And then to lose Dion Brown (sp?). That was a big blow. I have all the respect in the world for Coach Sharp. I just did not take kindly to the attack against our ladies' character. All players were emotional. That is what sports is about my friends.

[BigUtFan]

Originally posted by schooner: I agree. I do not at all think that TT is a BAD team. They are one of the best coached teams in the Top 25. I simply found it disappointing that so much was said about sportsmanship, when the game waas exhilarating, to say the least. Jia Perkins is awesome and if I know Sharp, she will have her team at home for the first and second rounds of the NCAA Tourney. No, the Big 12 race is NOT over yet.
I agree with your sentiments until the end. Just because Texas Tech lost on overtime game in Austin doesn't mean it's time to go back to the drawing board - or - realize they were beatin by a better team - or - feel they were outcoached. All because they happened to lose a very close game? Texas came very close to losing the game. If TTU won by a couple of points does that mean then that Texas has to go back to the drawing board - or - feel they are inferior to Tech - or - feel Sharp outcoached by Conradt?

Bottome-line: the matchup of Stephens and Schreiber against Tech is clearly in Texas's favor, for now. Tech didn't have an answer for those two - especially down the stretch. Stephens was rebounding (offensive rebounds at that) at will and getting 2nd and 3rd chance shots at the basket. Or getting fouled in the process and converting free throws.

I don't believe anyone can make any sweeping conclusions that there is a lot wrong at Tech just cuz they lose in overtime in Austin. What that means to me is that both of these team deserve to be very near the Top 10 in the country and, right now, I'd put Texas a spot or two ahead of Tech. Let's wait till February 6th and see how things come out in Lubbock.

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[BigUtFan]

Originally posted by Bobcat4956: I agree Bobcat. Wonder what really happened to Pierson and Brown?
Tech would in all probability be a much better with Plennete Pierson. I give Marsha Sharp a lot of credit for improvising. And then to lose Dion Brown (sp?). That was a big blow. I have all the respect in the world for Coach Sharp. I just did not take kindly to the attack against our ladies' character. All players were emotional. That is what sports is about my friends.

[DblT81]

BigUTFan: There were three fans that commented about foul call tantrums of some UT players. These same three, also had praise for the game in general and for several UT players. What we said was based on incidents we saw on television which, IMO, were *highlighted* by the director of the broadcast. I don't have a tape of the game, and I don't remember clearly whether the announcers made specific comments about these incidents or not. The incidents I mentioned did indeed spoil a wonderful game and another classic that I will add to my running tally of this rivalry over the past 11 years. It is a shame that some of the more vivid memories of this game, as shown on TV, include what I discussed. BTW, I went into detail, because a UT fan who was right there at the game next to the court did not see them. Perhaps we should be disappointed in the TV coverage for showing such tantrums. However, Bobcat, the comments made were not attacks on these players character, they were comments regarding players' behavior at a specific time. I am sure that Hastings and White are quality people and in no way meant to impune their character. Hopefully from my comments you could garner that I have special respect for Stephens. If you didn't, please know now that I do.

I certainly hope the Tech coaches discuss Tarr's behavior with her. If she gets tangled up with another player, she should walk away and not react like she did.

There are, or at least have been, more http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/ttu.gif fans who post on this board than from any other school, some more regular than others. Three comments out of all of those fans is hardly "ballistic" or major whining by Tech fans.

To answer: "Wonder what really happened to Pierson and Brown?" Well, Pierson was suspended for the rest of the season and it has been rumored that she plans to return for her senior season next year. She is still on scholarship and I hope she does show up for classes this week. Brown quit the team and asked to transfer to another school. Last I heard, Brown went home and I haven't heard if she is enrolled in another school or not for this semester. That is what really happened to them. That is all we need to know.

[dem]

Well, when people said the Big 12 would be brutal this season, they really weren't kidding. When you've got 7 ranked teams beating up on each other -- and 5 other good teams feeling that they also have something to prove -- you end up with a lot of pain and disappointment to spread around. We're certainly feeling it here in Ames, and it is not fun. I'm sure it's very enjoyable for those OUTSIDE the conference to observe the mayhem -- I have to admit to watching with some satisfaction as the SEC teams tear each other to pieces. All of a sudden, though, I have a newfound sympathy for Andy Landers and Sue Gunter.

[Bball Girl]

I don't consider using the words disappointed and behavior and suprised could at all be considered going ballistic.

I did not dispute one single call, did not whine or complain about the refs...I was just "suprised" that they let players get in their faces like that. I did tape the game and the commentators did comment on a number of occasions about the same issue.

Fourth...I believe that both Larkin and Tarr were talked to by the ref about the one incident and Coach Sharp also talked to Tarr. I did not see if Conradt talked to Larkin.

Finally...I recall praising a couple of UT players who I saw do an outstanding job and I neglected to include Stephens...but I was so impressed with the play and composure of Screiber that I left Stephens out.

Texas played hard and so did Tech. It was a great game.


Lastly.....the game is over. The subject is done. On to Baylor!

[Bobcat4956]

YOU ALL ARE RIGHT IN SOME WAYS! Let's go on to the next game. I guess Bobby Knight's antics on the sidelines are okay, but when one or two or our players disputes a call then it is not okay. Double Standard!!!!!! And Sharp and her assistants were up the whole game complaining. We did not start this mess, you did. Good luck to everybody this week. All these good teams in the Big 12 are going to pound at each other each week. Get used to it. When a conference is THIS STRONG, emotions are high.

[DblT81]

Bobcat, we may have made comments first, but you keep pushing it don't you?

What the heck does Bob Knight's behavior have to do with anything related to the women's basketball game played in Austin on Sunday? Why in the world would you bring that up in this discussion?

[swok34]

dblt......

have you figured this one out yet?.....have you read the "new" ESPN board lately.....too bad they did away with their ignore feature.

[Bobcat4956]

Always interesting how you can say whatever you want and when someone replies, it is not okay. WHATEVER!!!!! All you Texas Tech fans talk about class so I thought I would point out some of the other things about your sports programs that in my opinion, leave a little to be desired. Again, YOU STARTED THIS!!!! But when UT fans respond, we are suddenly responsible. ABSURD!!!

[grojc]

Originally posted by Bobcat4956:
Always interesting how you can say whatever you want and when someone replies, it is not okay. WHATEVER!!!!! All you Texas Tech fans talk about class so I thought I would point out some of the other things about your sports programs that in my opinion, leave a little to be desired. Again, YOU STARTED THIS!!!! But when UT fans respond, we are suddenly responsible. ABSURD!!!


Its time to give it up Bobcat. They're not going to back down. I really thought RaiderPower's mea culpa was fabulous. The internet allows us to express frustration too quickly sometime. This rivalry is great, but its mean. Let's let this die. You are right. Don't let em rattle you.