Texas Tech Visits Baylor [Archive]

swok34

02-15-2003, 11:31 PM

Oh, thanks a lot, Baylor......Now Marsha will get her 500 at home against OU http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif But I recall either last year or the year before that OU beat Texas Tech in Norman and the win clinched the
Big XII title.....the TTU team and coaches very gracious with the balloons and confetti coming down around.....I'm sure we'll get the "favor" returned.

Wow, great win for Baylor.....and our conference race just got all the more interesting.

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YCN

02-15-2003, 11:52 PM

Holy smokes! I didn't believe for a minute that Baylor had a shot to win this game. This makes the conference race much more complicated - and interesting!

Redbear

02-16-2003, 12:15 AM

Great game. Tech had a lot of support there. Sophia Young was incredible. 26 points 17 rebounds. Tech really hurt themselves at the FT line. I think they shot approx 50%.

anntaylor

02-16-2003, 12:19 AM

Way to go, Baylor! Nice win.

As YCN said, it sure makes the Big 12 race more interesting!

AusTech

02-16-2003, 12:20 AM

Same problems continue to bite us in the behind. VERY poor FT shooting and inconsistent post defense. BU got a very big win, but there is no reason Tech should have lost this game. Should be an exciting game vs. the Sooners. Congrats to the Lady Bears. By the way, I think Sophia Young is putting an exclamation point on the FOY award I think she'll get http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif

spooky

02-16-2003, 12:35 AM

Yet another great game in Waco. For awhile it looked like Baylor was repeating its pattern of keeping it close before blowing it with small mistakes and mental errors. But numerous players stepped up and pulled it out.

Sophia Young - 26 pts. 17 rbs. What more can i say about her. I think she might have taken the lead in the FOY race with this one. Steffanie Blackmon responded well to her benching. She couldn't buy a layup in the first 10 minutes, but stayed focused and finished with a double double. And down the stretch she had a big offensive rebound and a even bigger play calling a timeout on a loose ball to save a turnover. Ebony Jackson grew up before our eyes tonight. Playing for the first time against her more highly decorated best friend Erin Grant, she turns in 15 points, 9 assists, and 4 steals, in addition to doing a great job running the team. Dionne Brown with a quiet 12 points and 8 boards. You know she wanted this one in the worst way.

BU wins the rebounding battle 49-34. For you Raider fans, where was LaToya Davis? She owned the boards in Lubbock. Jia was money as usual, and Plenette was really fun to watch. It has been awhile since I've seen her play, and I forgot how quick she is.
Great turnout by your fans also. I was a little disappointed in the Baylor turnout, but those that made it were loud down the stretch.

Bob_Ballew

02-16-2003, 12:43 AM

WOW! Sophia Young, (Freshman of the Year!!) was incredible! Baylor really played a tough game against a tough Tech team. Congratulations to the Lady http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/bu.gif.

It is good to see Ebony Jackson stepping up her game. Baylor has been lacking in the point guard position. The post play by Dionne, Stephanie and Sophia was the difference in the game. Their rebounding edge was huge.

OU better watch out. Those Lady Raiders will be gunning for number 500.

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Press

02-16-2003, 02:12 AM

Nice win Baylor. They deserved to win this one the way you played in the second half. Tech played like the #7 team in the nation about 12 minutes in the first half and that's about it. Poor post defense, rebounding and ft shooting were killers. We only got to shoot 18 free throws to their 31....hmmmm, but you've got to knock those down!

Erin Grant comes up with 13 assists and she still can't get a third player to step up and knock down some shots and get in double figures! COME ON!!!

I don't think we won a rebounding battle nor a scramble for the ball all night long. That has to be corrected or this will be a short season.

This was just another outstanding performance by the Big XII refs. They decided to call tie balls tonight instead of fouls. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/rolleyes.gif

Sophia Young is a great player and the best freshman in this conference! I wish we had two just like her.

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RaiderPower1

02-16-2003, 02:20 AM

Hey, anybody get to watch halftime? http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif

YemenBear

02-16-2003, 04:26 AM

I paid the price for being lazy. Yemen is 9 hours ahead of Waco. Set my alarm for 5:00 this morning in order to catch both Baylor broadcasts. Alarm goes off, I roll over and turn it off. Previous early-morning wake-ups for BU men's games against Oklahoma and Kansas, both ugly games for the Bears, didn't do much to help my motivation. Shame on me. To discover both of the Baylor basketball programs pulled off upsets over ranked teams (Lady Bears over Tech and Baylor men over Okie State)made my decision to sleep in all the more painful.

To you Texas Tech fans, I'm sure there will be a fullhouse on hand for the upcoming game against OU. Will be all the sweeter to celebrate win 500 before a home crowd if the team can pull this one off. Good luck to you.

Sic Em'

Bob_Ballew

02-16-2003, 11:23 AM

Press, I was really surprised by some the calls for tie-balls. Some of them were super fast and some were after a brawl. Big XII officials need to have some guidelines set for them. I know they have them, but they need to follow them. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif It seems to me that every officiating crew has at least one or two duds.

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elfdenmom

02-16-2003, 12:26 PM

You are right Zo, the tie balls were absolutely unbelievable!!!!
Still, I am not going to claim bad officiating cost us the game. That would not reflect the tremendous game Baylor played, particularly in the paint and rebounding.

Sure was a long bus trip home!

grojc

02-16-2003, 01:33 PM

Only Tech gets bad calls. I forgot that.

Guns Up!

02-16-2003, 01:35 PM

I guess Jody let Kim borrow her refs.

JohnHenry

02-16-2003, 01:44 PM

I guess Jody let Kim borrow her refs.

HA HA HA HA HA! That's good, GunsUp. Keep that attitude. See you in Lubbock....

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SKATERBOY

02-16-2003, 01:49 PM

GUNS UP!
You cant blame it on the refs. Baylor just played a better game. From what I have been reading they just wanted it more, and rebounded much better. They were the more physical team, and from past loses Tech seems to get rattled when they play physical teams. PP is the only real physical player Tech can bring on the floor. The others need to toughen up seems like.
Fundamentally I think Tech is the best team in the big 12, but athletically and physically they seem to have problems against other teams who are athletic & play physical. Also free throw shooting was not very good for Tech either and their rebounding was sad.

Guns Up!

02-16-2003, 02:46 PM

Just had to see what kind of response that would get. Yes Baylor did play better than Tech yesterday. But there were several calls that were very questionable.

JohnHenry

02-16-2003, 03:14 PM

Just like every game in every sport. If you have something to say about the refs, then say it. Or are you just playing Aggy's advocate?

If Tech had played as well they are capable, or been as good as advertised, the refs wouldn't have mattered, now would they ?

Did you have the same pathetic excuse when the Horns whooped the Raiders in Austin?

Tech has been exposed - it is pointless to blame(or even partially blame) the refs for Tech's lackluster showing in OT yesterday. They simply didn't suck it up, and Baylor did. You have to play tougher D and be more aggressive on the boards when you play on the road in this conference.

If Tech was thinking their stretch run would be a cakewalk due to their favorable schedule, they are probably re-thinking that right about now. Nearly happened to us against OSU the other night - maybe the Lady Raiders failed to heed that warning.

YCN

02-16-2003, 03:35 PM

JohnHenry, there may be a treatment for that testosterone condition of yours. Considering that your team just squeaked by 2 opponents that supposedly should have just rolled over against your Horns, that doesn't bode well for your prospects against better competition. Are you that sure that your team will beat Baylor?

If there is any team that can afford an upset loss in conference play, it's Tech. They'd be between a rock and a hard spot right now if Kansas State hadn't lost to Iowa State, but as it stands right now, if they avoid any more upsets and win the final two at home, they are at least conference co-champions.

And that's the bottom line. Of course right now KSU just returned to the top of the heap in terms of prospects for getting the #1 seed in the conference tournament. Right now they win any tiebreaker over Tech and Texas, and it stays that way unless they lose to a team in their division.

grojc

02-16-2003, 03:46 PM

YCN, stop letting him bait you. I wish John Henry wouldn't gloat so much. BUT there has been a lot of hubris on this board and Raider Power's basketball forum. Tech fans predicted UT would have at least two more losses in Big 12 play before coming to Lubbuck, that TTU would win out the rest of the conference, that all you had to do was win those last two home games and the title was yours. There was a TREMENDOUS amount of disrespect for the conference. And everyone loves to see hubris explode. I laughed pretty hard when I saw the score last night, not because I wished Marsha or the team ill will, but I wanted to see the excuses offered by the fans. Most UT fans on these boards and others haven't taken one win for granted this year. Time has humbled us. So as Longhorn fan, I urge you to keep it all in perspective and to keep your chin up and not let the occassional zinger make you overreact. I hope the UT game in Lubbock is the best game of the year in WCBB. And we both know who we want to win.

JohnHenry

02-16-2003, 03:49 PM

Hey now - I did say that the same thing nearly happened to us, did I not? And since when is ISU a rollover in Ames? I figured we would play better there than we did in Stillwater, which I think we did. And OF COURSE i'm worried about playing Baylor in Waco - but that's the point. Every road game in this conference is cause for worry, especially in this stretch of the season.

I take issue with fans blaming poor officiating (esp. TECH fans) for a loss that shouldn't have happened.

if they avoid any more upsets and win the final two at home

That's a big "if" for any team now, apparently. I'd say losing to a "lesser" team yesterday puts Tech in a bad pinch, since they still have to play the top 2 teams in the conference, and can't afford to drop either at this point - (home-court advantage notwithstanding).

Sorry if anyone misunderstood me.

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grojc

02-16-2003, 03:59 PM

grojc

02-16-2003, 04:01 PM

I have no idea why that posted again. Sorry.

Beerman

02-16-2003, 05:59 PM

Hmmm. Let me see if I can get this straight....

If I say, "the officiating sucked", that means I am blaming Tech's loss on officiating?

OK. Let me throw a little more blame around the....

KMR wore pants.
Baylor only had a barely half full arena.
It was a late tip-off for a Saturday game.
Tech wore black.
Marsha was going for win #500.
Tech played poorly, especially at the FT line and in the paint.
Baylor played very well, especially Young.
It was my wife's birthday.
The UN is impotent.

I could go on and on but I won't. You know that while all of those statements as well as the one about poor officiating are true, only 2 of them had anything to do with Tech's loss.

So, with that in mind.....can someone please show me where ANY Tech fan has blamed the officials for Tech's loss?????

Bob_Ballew

02-16-2003, 06:03 PM

I don't think anybody was blaming the loss on the officiating. However, the fact remains the same, Big XII officials are pathetic!! If you are watching the OU/CU game right now, you saw a replay of a pathetic held ball call. Coach Coale signaled, we'll take it and shrugged the call.

JohnHenry

02-16-2003, 06:30 PM

Sorry, Beerman. Guess I should have specified GunsUp!, and made that (a TECH fan) instead of (TECH fans). Indeed most of the Tech posters took the high road on this thread.

You'll have to forgive me - I see an awful lot of ref-blaming on men's bball boards and it annoys me no matter who does it.

Not sure where I was "gloating", either, but i'm sorry if it came off that way. As you were, friends...

Bob_Ballew

02-16-2003, 07:52 PM

Maybe that photo you keep posting is a form of gloating http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif

Press

02-16-2003, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by Guns Up!:
Just had to see what kind of response that would get. Yes Baylor did play better than Tech yesterday. But there were several calls that were very questionable.

I think just before halftime, when KMR called the ref over, gave him an ass chewing and finger in the face, worked in her favor. In the second half, they only ended up with 6-7 fouls. This was after she slammed her hand on the scorers table earlier when Sophia Young got her second foul....pretty dramatic. I guess that was a good strategy becuase we wouldn't want her to be upset. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif

Scrappy

02-16-2003, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by JohnHenry:
Just like every game in every sport. If you have something to say about the refs, then say it. Or are you just playing Aggy's advocate?

If Tech had played as well they are capable, or been as good as advertised, the refs wouldn't have mattered, now would they ?

Did you have the same pathetic excuse when the Horns whooped the Raiders in Austin?

Tech has been exposed - it is pointless to blame(or even partially blame) the refs for Tech's lackluster showing in OT yesterday. They simply didn't suck it up, and Baylor did. You have to play tougher D and be more aggressive on the boards when you play on the road in this conference.

If Tech was thinking their stretch run would be a cakewalk due to their favorable schedule, they are probably re-thinking that right about now. Nearly happened to us against OSU the other night - maybe the Lady Raiders failed to heed that warning.

I didn't see the game, but I'm not surprised Tech lost for various reasons, all mentioned on this board by other posters and this team is just not relentless enough to beat physical teams. All I can say is they better strap it on if they intend in winning or sharing this conference race. Thus far, they've not got me believing....

Now, for you JohnHenry, how did HoopScoop survie before you graced us with your presence and wisdom? You have this ugly orange arrogance oozing out of your flesh that really turns my stomach. Did you grow up sucking a hind utter?

JohnHenry

02-16-2003, 09:46 PM

Mr. Scrappy -

Didn't realize this was a gated community. "New to a board" doesn't necessarily mean "new to women's basketball".

Mercy me -- all this nastiness over what? I don't think i'm the only one who's voiced the opinion that Tech may be a little softer than advertised. Never said the Horns were world-beaters, either. I think we have a lot going for us, but we've had our share of close calls, too.

And I don't mind a little friendly smack with Raider fans, but perhaps everyone should take a deep breath or two. I've heard and read all manner of smack from Tech folks over the last 10 years ("...that washed up old dyke", "how long can you live with mediocrity?", "what do YA'LL do in March?" - not from anyone on this board - yet) - so if I appear to relish the Lady Raider's reality check in Waco, please don't take it personally.

I'm sure i'll hear from all of you if the Horns lose again at all this year, so just take it easy. I think I was actually pretty merciful, all things considered.

BTW, not sure what I wrote that can be accurately termed "arrogant", but like I said already, I apologize for any misunderstanding.
The picture is just a signature/postcard. Like you wouldn't be proud if your team had just beaten Tennessee 2 years in a row. I was there to see that shot and it was easily the most thrilling moment i've witnessed at a sporting event in my life, and i've been to A LOT of events. If it really bothers somebody, i'll change it soon enough.

http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/ttu.gif Smile! Lubbock loves you !

40ishHorn

02-16-2003, 10:12 PM

John Henry, your photo is beautiful! You would think other Big 12 folks would be just as proud to have a conference foe beat the likes of TN two years running. It's not like you have a picture of Heather manhandling Plenette. ???

ChipperF1

02-16-2003, 10:31 PM

Oh, come on people. Ol' JohnHenry doesn't mean any harm. Now troops if you are gonna slap leather on this here board lets just remember that we are gonna run some smack and slap and tap.

Just have fun with it and just take a little crowing about a good showing.

I envy Ol' JH from Dallas in one way. He can brag about how wonderful Stacy, Heather and Nina Norman are. What could I possibly say in response? "Nobody turns the ball over better than Margaret Richards"?

John, KEEP THE DARN PICTURE UP! http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif

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JohnHenry

02-16-2003, 10:41 PM

http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/nu.gif on a ROLL!

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Scrappy

02-16-2003, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by JohnHenry:

BTW, not sure what I wrote that can be accurately termed "arrogant", but like I said already, I apologize for any misunderstanding.

JohnHenry, I'm not a Tech fan, so I could give a rat’s butt how they finish, who they beat, what fans say and what comments are on RaiderPower. Your arrogance tells me that no one from any other school should be confident in their team, their talent, etc. Yeah, so Tech fans have high expectations and expect a lot out of their team, so what?! Do they gloat? Yes, but so do you most every time you hit "Submit Reply"!

I know first hand that UT fans talk more smack than anyone I know, well, besides our friends in Whooooopville, so don't be acting like an angel and just gracious that Jody can squeak out a few wins this year, please.... Every post is a freak'en promo and who really wants to hear that? I don't care and probably no one else does. There are some posters on here that I sometimes have to guess what team they root for because they just talk basketball. I bet if Swok and some of the OU fans were on here gloating about their athletic programs like you do, you'd have fit! I still don't understand the whole "Sooner Magic" thing, but that's beside the point.

I don't have anything personally against you, just what you write. If you can't see that, then I'm sorry for you. Do you have any friends that don't speak UT? I'm sure if we talked I might not take it the same way, but on these boards, I'm left to read exactly what is written and that's pretty clear.

JohnHenry

02-16-2003, 11:30 PM

Oh. I see. I'd call that a wee bit inaccurate, to the point of paranoid. You seem a bit uptight, but maybe that's just me.
Whatever.

Your Aggies will come around soon enough, Scrappy. Be strong.

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ChipperF1

02-17-2003, 01:14 AM

Nice JohnHenry! I give you love, and that is how you repay me? LOL!

C'mon don't show photos of beating up on kids who ride the short bus http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif

JohnHenry

02-17-2003, 02:13 AM

Oh alright ---

http://www.huskersnside.com/pics2/200/MNBXEDXTYHSJKTG.20021029204025.jpg

http://www.huskersnside.com/pics2/200/VJYXSYEUCEIFXGT.20021214025527.jpg

http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/nu.gif on a ROLL !

ChipperF1

02-17-2003, 02:27 AM

You see folks, JohnHenry's alright...for someone from Dallas http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif

Bob_Ballew

02-17-2003, 02:37 PM

Who's the volleyball player? I'd say she got a kill on that shot.

HuskerFan86

02-17-2003, 05:44 PM

Only Amber Holmquist has a reach that high...

Going back to the game, I think Sophia Young clinched FOY with her performance Saturday, but did anybody watch the KU-Mizzou game? Tamara Ransburg is going to be a phenomenal player. And just wait until she's got Lauren Ervin helping her dominate the lane...

BTW, JohnHenry, make sure to keep that in-your-face attitude. I'd expect nothing less from a Texas fan.

DblT81

02-17-2003, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by grojc:
Time has humbled us.

That one is right up there with UT facing fiscal reality.

grojc

02-17-2003, 07:33 PM

Thanks for proving my point Db.

Row6Seat10

02-17-2003, 08:54 PM

The volleyball player is Melissa Elmer. She is next in line to fill Amber Holmquist's shoes.

JohnHenry

02-17-2003, 10:00 PM

You Tech fans are a RIOT. I've got a 4 year-old who talks better smack....

Agree about Ransburg - liked her intensity and physical play when I saw KU in Austin. She is gonna make life difficult for a lot of post players in this conference over the next few years.

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35TangoTango

02-17-2003, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by JohnHenry:
You Tech fans are a RIOT. I've got a 4 year-old who talks better smack....

JH, what you've got to realize, is that talking smack is usually avoided like the plague on this board. The Tech fans all get around it by making endless posts to each other about how every aspect of Tech-ness is just so much more wonderful than anyone else could ever possibly be.

DblT81

02-17-2003, 10:44 PM

John Henry, I wasn't trying to talk *smack*. I just thought it ironic how the majority of UT fans are now so humble. You and Skaterboy sure don't remind me as the humble sort. CarolAnn is that sort. Moooooo and TXNO's are a decent sort.

Grojc, I'm not sure what sort you are since you primarily show up here to complain about Tech fans. I thought your point was that Tech fans are suffering from arrogance resulting from excessive pride and that Texas fans are long suffering fans with much humility. Like that humble John Henry when he proclaimed the Longhorns as one of the consistent top teams in the conference by saying, "We'll always be in the hunt; most of the others will be cyclical (like OU...). Facts of life, friend." And then he sang us all a little song.

I'm not sure how my perception that many UT fans are not as humble as you think proves your point.

So, YCN, are you a closet Longhorn fan? When were you going to let us know? And all this time I thought you were cheering for the *good* guys. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif

grojc

02-17-2003, 11:00 PM

To DB:

What world do you live in? I show up when I have time. I have a life outside. The biggest ruckus I caused was my complaint about KMR. Paranoid?

DblT81

02-17-2003, 11:57 PM

Actually, Grojc, your comments in this thread are difficult to follow. I'm still at a loss to understand how my perception of Texas fans proves your *point*, whatever it was. Even more puzzling is the "paranoid" reference. I'm a happy kind of person with a job and a family that lives in the real world with no delusions. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything here.

I see things written on this board that make me laugh and sometimes I point them out so others can have a laugh too in case they missed them. Soonerman did the same with his post about JH's "fiscal reality" post. That was way up there on the made me laugh scale.

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Press

02-18-2003, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by soonerman:
JH, what you've got to realize, is that talking smack is usually avoided like the plague on this board. The Tech fans all get around it by making endless posts to each other about how every aspect of Tech-ness is just so much more wonderful than anyone else could ever possibly be.

Soonerman, that's funny you say that because I felt the same way last year when OU was at the top and you Sooner fans just couldn't get enough. Why is it all the sudden so different for someone else want to chat amongst themselves about their team. If you're not interested, then by all means, don't read it.

I hate to see it happening but this board is getting just like all the others. You have to be constantly defending yourself or your team and that takes all the fun out of our discussions we used to have.

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Bevo

02-18-2003, 01:24 AM

Oooo...Sooners and Raiders getting into it! How unusual!

YCN

02-18-2003, 01:28 AM

DblT81, if I were a Longhorn fan, surely my one previous post in this thread would have told you so. But I don't see how you can get there from here.

I admire the programs of both UT and Tech, but my team has and always will wear Crimson and Cream.

I thought that Tech had the best chance to win the national title before the start of the season. That's my story, and I'm sticking with it.

I wouldn't be looking past Wednesday, however, if I were you. If I were a Texas fan, I wouldn't be looking past anybody either.

ChipperF1

02-18-2003, 01:30 AM

"You have to be constantly defending yourself or your team and that takes all the fun out of our discussions we used to have.

If you have a team to defend that is a fun thing in itself as long as it doesn't get out of hand.

Now, at times our friends down there at the University of Oklahoma at Austin get a little too full of themselves. But you know? It's Texas, and everything is bigger in Texas even the amount of hot air.

Should we mind it? No. Everybody here is proud of their ballclubs. I'm proud of mine, and they are horrid. People are gonna brag a lil' bit. Don't get all in a bunch about it. If anything, sharpen up the ol' rhethorical wit and bite back a little. As long as we aren't just ripping each other and making snide personal slights at each other and keep to the game no harm no foul.

I have a rule about that. You don't rip anybody based on "we rule, you suck" thinking. At this place, you gotta have some knowledge to play, and 99% of the fans here have knowledge that's what makes it fun. And its fun to get a hype goin' with another fan the week of the game.

When you like a team, its like being a jet fighter pilot. Sometimes you are gonna be painted and you are going to be shot at. But if they are shooting at you, that means your team is pretty dang good.

To paraphase the great Texas philosopher, Ann Richards.

"Poor JohnHenry. He cain't help it. He was born with an Orange Foot in his mouth." http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif

DblT81

02-18-2003, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by YCN:
DblT81, if I were a Longhorn fan, surely my one previous post in this thread would have told you so. But I don't see how you can get there from here.

Yes, I know you are a Sooner fan. My comment was related to a post early in this thread where Grojc was referring to you as a Longhorn fan and mentioned that you both wanted the Longhorns to win in the Tech/Texas game later in Lubbock.

Sooners are good guys in my book. That NMSooner fellow is a bit hotheaded sometimes when it comes to Tech but overall Sooners are OK with me.

I'm very disappointed in the Lady Raiders showing in Waco. That is all I will say about it. I hope they play better on Wednesday and that we see some good basketball. Homecoming for Chelsi. Wish she was wearing red and black, but since she doesn't, I'm just glad her family gets to see her play often.

swok34

02-18-2003, 10:37 AM

Sooners are good guys in my book

Dblt, the Lady Raiders are good guys in my book and I've always enjoyed your posts and keeping a look-out for me on the ESPN board. I find that I rarely visit the ESPN board this year; by the same token, since the Big XII are "my teams"....I much rather prefer Hoopscoop and as Chipper says, the knowledgeable fans that post here.....I will say that because I cheer for a "south division" team, I find that I know more about the other teams in the southern division. Maybe because we meet twice a year every year. Do other fans find that true?

I find that if you are a "poster" here at Hoopscoop; Big XII fans are likely to stick up for one another against other teams and conferences if they are getting dogged.

I think it's pretty incredible that we have the camraderie that we have, if other conference fans have anything similar to Hoopscoop, I certainly haven't come across it.

I recall last year about this time, when the conference race was heating up, we had a lot of arguments.....so, I suppose it's that time of year, though I have to say it's been rather mild compared to last year.

I've also noticed quite a lot of "new" posters lately, and though we try to welcome each and every one, if you were missed, I really appreciate that you are here......opinions, homer, whatever the case may be....I enjoy your posts.

JohnHenry

02-18-2003, 12:56 PM

I guess I started all this by biting on that "Jody's refs" nonsense...if someone feels that i've disrespected or slighted another team somehow, please feel free to point it out to me and accept my apologies. Apparently some took offense to this:
If Tech had played as well they are capable, or been as good as advertised, the refs wouldn't have mattered, now would they ?

Did you have the same pathetic excuse when the Horns whooped the Raiders in Austin?

Tech has been exposed - it is pointless to blame(or even partially blame) the refs for Tech's lackluster showing in OT yesterday. They simply didn't suck it up, and Baylor did. You have to play tougher D and be more aggressive on the boards when you play on the road in this conference.

If Tech was thinking their stretch run would be a cakewalk due to their favorable schedule, they are probably re-thinking that right about now. Nearly happened to us against OSU the other night - maybe the Lady Raiders failed to heed that warning.
Nowhere did I say Tech sucked, or that they were incapable of being tough or incapable of beating anyone. I was giving my perception of why Tech lost a game they were favored to win and what they might take away from that game. If it sounded harsh or egotistical, I apologize. But if you truly believe in your team, you needn't resort to tired cop-outs like "I guess Jody let Kim borrow her refs." Yes, it was probably in jest and I fell for it. Shame on me then.

Honestly, I don't pay much attention to officiating at all. I long ago made my peace with the fact that refs are going to make bad calls, too many calls, not enough, blah, blah, blah...I'm more interested in seeing my team play well enough so that they don't find themselves in a position where a bad call could cost them a W. Besides, what goes around, comes around - a bad call may save a game for you just as easily. You know - "the sun don't shine on the same dog's rear end everyday", etc.

Unless you're Texas Tech - the Great Martyred Victims of the BOOC... http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif

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BEAR SKIN

02-18-2003, 03:43 PM

Chipper;

Nice quote; however, one small correction: Ann, having resided significantly in Waco, has never utilized the "l" in help. She declared that poor George "cain't hep it, . . ."

Scrappy

02-18-2003, 03:45 PM

DAMN, JohnHenry, you're like a bully on a playground picking fights. I'm sure they're other subjects you would like to talk about, isn't there? Let me get you started: Who does Texas play tomorrow? Do you think they'll win? Do you think Heather will have a good game? What will Jody be wearing, slacks or short skirt? (Watch out Sherri!) Will she continue to place her tongue in the corner of her mouth and wipe the lipstick (or is that Carmex) from around her lips? Will she put her hands behind her back and stomp when she's a little miffed? All very interesting topics and I'm sure you'll have all the answers for me very shortly.

Your friend,

Scrappy
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Love you Mooooooooo, mean it!

JohnHenry

02-18-2003, 05:21 PM

Um....who's picking fights here?

I suppose it's easy to be an antagonist when you don't declare your own allegiance....don't be so gutless, Scrappy.

Lone Star Grizzly

02-18-2003, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by Press:
I think just before halftime, when KMR called the ref over, gave him an ass chewing and finger in the face, worked in her favor. In the second half, they only ended up with 6-7 fouls. This was after she slammed her hand on the scorers table earlier when Sophia Young got her second foul....pretty dramatic. I guess that was a good strategy becuase we wouldn't want her to be upset. ;)

I take exception to your remark, especially your snide comment at the end. I watched Mulkey as a player and she played with great emotion. As a coach, she coaches with great emotion and her team plays with emotion. Slamming the top of the padded advertising sign is far better than throwing a chair on the court to vent your frustration. As far as chewing out the officials, I have seen every Big 12 coach that has played in The Ferrell Center get after the officials. Some coaches are more subtle. Saturday, Marsha got the official closest to her and gave him a piece of her mind more than once. In Sunday's game, Coach Berry used nearly all of a timeout to chew out an official. I have seen Coach Coale blister an official more than once. Often officials will watch something differently if it has been pointed out by a coach. This seems to be a common strategy for coaches in all sports, from amateurs to professional.

As far as officiating, I have complained many times and justified a loss by poor officiating, rather than looking at missed scoring ooportunites and missed defensive assignements. I have thought that the last two times the Lady Bears went to Boulder the 3-1 free throw differential was the reason for the losses. Or the no call against OU when Stratten was flattened with 2 seconds. Or in Lubbock, with Tech up by 3 with 3 minutes left and Young gets her 4th foul, falls to the ground in amazement, gets a technical, Tech makes all four free throws, now it is a 7-point lead, and Tech has the ball with Young on the bench. In the end, the games were actually decided by missed opportunities and defensive errors--the winners took advantage of more of their opportunites and played better defense. Officals are human and will make mistakes and judgement, as we all know, can be faulty at times.

As for the game against Tech. It is interesting that after 39 consecutive losses to Tech, Baylor has now won 3 of the last 4 games.

Scrappy

02-18-2003, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by Lone Star Grizzly:
I take exception to your remark, especially your snide comment at the end. I watched Mulkey as a player and she played with great emotion. As a coach, she coaches with great emotion and her team plays with emotion. Slamming the top of the padded advertising sign is far better than throwing a chair on the court to vent your frustration. As far as chewing out the officials, I have seen every Big 12 coach that has played in The Ferrell Center get after the officials. Some coaches are more subtle. Saturday, Marsha got the official closest to her and gave him a piece of her mind more than once. In Sunday's game, Coach Berry used nearly all of a timeout to chew out an official. I have seen Coach Coale blister an official more than once. Often officials will watch something differently if it has been pointed out by a coach. This seems to be a common strategy for coaches in all sports, from amateurs to professional.

As far as officiating, I have complained many times and justified a loss by poor officiating, rather than looking at missed scoring ooportunites and missed defensive assignements. I have thought that the last two times the Lady Bears went to Boulder the 3-1 free throw differential was the reason for the losses. Or the no call against OU when Stratten was flattened with 2 seconds. Or in Lubbock, with Tech up by 3 with 3 minutes left and Young gets her 4th foul, falls to the ground in amazement, gets a technical, Tech makes all four free throws, now it is a 7-point lead, and Tech has the ball with Young on the bench. In the end, the games were actually decided by missed opportunities and defensive errors--the winners took advantage of more of their opportunites and played better defense. Officals are human and will make mistakes and judgement, as we all know, can be faulty at times.

As for the game against Tech. It is interesting that after 39 consecutive losses to Tech, Baylor has now won 3 of the last 4 games.

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LSG, i see you're a newby too and if you take exception to that comment, then you'll be a frustrated little bear. There have been a boat load of discussions about KMR and her past and present courtside drama, so that dog won't hunt here. You best toughen up a little or I'm sure JohnHenry and his friends will run you off. You might get him to explain when people use icons such as this: http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif, or this: http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif, they mean what they write, but it's not supposed to be taken seriously, or something like that. He's really good at explaining that kind of stuff....very, very good. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif

DBLTFarmer

02-18-2003, 08:22 PM

Are we going to get into this again?? (about how coaches act) We saw this argument last year. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif

Personally, I think officiating sometimes favors one teams style of play over another. This seems to occur more often than not on the home teams floor. Its funny to me that team x plays at team y and team y shoots twice as many free throws as team x. Then team y goes to goes to team w and team w shoots twice as many free throws as team y. Finally, team w goes to team x's place and team x shoots twice as many free throws as team w. I think that the home court advantage is too much. I thought it was bad enough in the men's game but I think it is worse in the women's game.

Some of you have said that Baylor was more aggressive than Tech in Saturdays game. I dont disagree with that statement. However, if Tech would have had a more physical and aggressive post player I think she would have been on the bench in foul trouble. It will be interesting to watch the Baylor-UT game to see if Stacy Stephens gets into foul trouble. Same goes for the Tech, Texas game in Lubbock.

This is not a slam on Baylor, just an example of the officiating in the big 12.

JohnHenry

02-18-2003, 11:07 PM

Stacy has gotten in foul trouble at home many times.

Scrappy, you're making me feel special now. Not everyone on this board has their own antagonist... http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/redface.gif

...or stalker ! http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/eek.gif

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DBLTFarmer

02-18-2003, 11:13 PM

Henry,

Im sure she does, just think its more likely to occur in Lubbock or Waco than in Austin.

SKATERBOY

02-18-2003, 11:20 PM

DBLT81

When did I ever say i was humble?? I guess you might think that because I was around many yrs following our program. I was around when no one around here could ever touch us for so many years. Even with the up years Tech has had, and we had our down years we still managed to beat Tech. Remember the first game after Tech won the NCAA in 93 - comming to the Erin Center playing against our freshmen team that started 4 freshman and 1 sophmore. Tech had a great recruiting year, and Texas tiny tots Danielle Viglleone & Co. still beat Tech. Tabatha Trusedale (spelling) went into a frenzy with the loss stomping her feet. The old texas fans have been there done that. Remember we were the first, we set the standard for everyone else to follow & emulate. The talent on the Texas team now is like the talent we had back in 1983-84 when things just started to get everyone involved. And now we are slowly creeping back again, and everyone is noticing. We arent saying and making predictions like Tech that we will make the final 4 or win it all. If you read our board - we are not there to make predictions. The best we should do is sweet 16 or if we are lucky great 8. Our chances will be much better next year we all think to get to the final 4.
But we arent making any predictions. And yes, after all these years we are still having fun.

DBLTFarmer

02-19-2003, 12:26 AM

After reading the last post and last nights drubbing of the mens team, I guess we Raider fans should bow down to the basketball God's at Texas. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/biggrin.gif http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/rolleyes.gif

40ishHorn

02-19-2003, 12:27 AM

Scrappy - Is that you Jason Whitlock?

DblT81

02-19-2003, 01:37 AM

I'll try to go slow here.

Originally posted by SKATERBOY:
When did I ever say i was humble??

I don't know? When did you say you were humble?

I never said you said you were humble. Grojc said UT fans were humble and I said you were an example of one who is not so humble. Your remaining comments in that post are a nice example.

Originally posted by SKATERBOY:
The old texas fans have been there done that. Remember we were the first, we set the standard for everyone else to follow & emulate. The talent on the Texas team now is like the talent we had back in 1983-84 when things just started to get everyone involved. And now we are slowly creeping back again, and everyone is noticing.

Oh! the humility! Stop! I don't think I can stand it!

Originally posted by SKATERBOY:
We arent saying and making predictions like Tech. If you read our board - we are not there to make predictions. The best we should do is sweet 16 or if we are lucky great 8. Our chances will be much better next year to get to the final 4. But we arent making any predictions.

OK, got it. No predictions.

I made a single prediction this year that Tech would win the Rice game by a comfortable margin. They barely won, so just like you Skaterboy, I've decided not to make any other predictions. I think that is good advice. No predictions. I'll try to remember that as I do my daily humble exercises in an attempt to remember that it was Texas and not Tennessee or La Tech that set the standard (or Nashville Business School or Wayland Baptist or Delta State or Immaculata).

35TangoTango

02-19-2003, 01:51 AM

Well I tried, but I just can't resist a good brawl. This is obviously where the children play, so I'll bring my crayons and join in.

Originally posted by SKATERBOY:
Remember we were the first, we set the standard for everyone else to follow & emulate.

That would be in the early '80's in a conference that collapsed because Arkansas left? If a tree fell in a forest, and no one was there to listen....

JohnHenry

02-19-2003, 10:43 AM

That would be in the early '80's in a conference that collapsed because Arkansas left? If a tree fell in a forest, and no one was there to listen....

Aside from being misleading, this is also rather uninformed:

a) the SWC disbanded in '96 after winning 2 national titles and coming close to a couple of others...you'll have remind me how many the Big 8 teams have won. (Remember you intiated this discussion, now...)

b)Yeah, women's bball had A LOT to do with Arkansas leaving the SWC... http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/rolleyes.gif