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Bball Girl
02-20-2010, 12:12 PM
What's with the Big Orange's unis today?? Never seen UT in anything but orange and white. Is Coach G tired of burnt orange?

Edited: announcers say UT is 3-0 in the black unis. Just never saw them before
mgood1
02-20-2010, 12:15 PM
Is Coach G tired of burnt orange?
Who wouldn't be? :rotflol:

I think they're trying to be like Tech with the black uniforms. :p

Dude on TV just said they're 3-0 in the black jerseys, so I guess this is the fourth time they've worn them.
Bball Girl
02-20-2010, 12:20 PM
Coming back from DC last night thru DFW, I saw a family - Mom, Dad, 2 little boys and 1 girl all wearing burnt orange.

Aggies last won the last 7-8 against UT? Coach G has never beat A&M at Texas. Both of those are pretty crazy statistics.
YCN
02-20-2010, 12:25 PM
Coming back from DC last night thru DFW, I saw a family - Mom, Dad, 2 little boys and 1 girl all wearing burnt orange.

Aggies last won the last 7-8 against UT? Coach G has never beat A&M at Texas. Both of those are pretty crazy statistics.

That may be about to change. With about 8 minutes gone it's 15-6 Texas. UT's shooting percentage is about 35% higher than Tech's.
mgood1
02-20-2010, 12:25 PM
. . . Mom, Dad, 2 little boys and 1 girl all wearing burnt orange.
Yeah, poor kids probably didn't have any choice and didn't know any better. By the time they're old enough to make up their own mind, they'll be completely brainwashed.

Aggies last won the last 7-8 against UT? Coach G has never beat A&M at Texas. Both of those are pretty crazy statistics.
Yeah, I didn't know that either. I was a little bit surprised.
mgood1
02-20-2010, 12:33 PM
A&M is really poking the ball out of the Longhorns hands, one play after another now.
YCN
02-20-2010, 12:37 PM
A&M is really poking the ball out of the Longhorns hands, one play after another now.

Yeah, four minutes later 15-6 has turned into 17-12, in this scoring frenzy of a game.

First one to 50 wins.
mgood1
02-20-2010, 12:38 PM
Texas can't make a basket anymore.
mgood1
02-20-2010, 12:45 PM
And it's a one-point game.
mgood1
02-20-2010, 12:45 PM
And just like that, the Aggies take the lead.
mgood1
02-20-2010, 01:13 PM
Texas regains the lead 25-24
17:29
tx4OU
02-20-2010, 02:29 PM
Boy that was the strangest officiated game I've seen in a long time. There were more delays in that game than DFW Airport during a light dusting of snow. It was either Aggie math they were using down there, or the failure to see what was going on. I swear, they probably wouldn't have had all of those clock, foul, basket scoring issues if they just turned some lights on in that place to where everyone could see what was going on.
mgood1
02-20-2010, 02:41 PM
I swear, they probably wouldn't have had all of those clock, foul, basket scoring issues if they just turned some lights on in that place to where everyone could see what was going on.
Did it look dark to you?
Guns Up!
02-20-2010, 02:44 PM
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tvsquad.com/media/2007/10/jane2.jpg
But...but I had the official's money ready to go!
TTU79
02-20-2010, 02:46 PM
I agree TX4OU. The stands were so dark you really couldn't tell if there very many fans there. Then the Texas black uniforms, that I'd never seen before, contributing their share to the darkness. That was the most poorly lit broadcast I've seen in decades.
mgood1
02-20-2010, 02:51 PM
The way Texas has been winning lately, and the way they started out on fire today, I thought they were going to win this one going away.
YCN
02-20-2010, 02:55 PM
IMHO, the refs ruined that game. I don't care what game it is, if you can't make a decision within five minutes, move on.

FIFTEEN MINUTES to decide whether or not to take points off the board? That's ridiculous.

How long did it take to blow the whistle? MOVE ON!
ISU3PointLand
02-20-2010, 03:10 PM
I agree TX4OU. The stands were so dark you really couldn't tell if there very many fans there. Then the Texas black uniforms, that I'd never seen before, contributing their share to the darkness. That was the most poorly lit broadcast I've seen in decades.

I have a feeling that it was due more to Fox's broadcast than to the lighting at the arena. We went through just about all of the Fox Sports stations and the clarity was better on some (very slighty).

I've noticed that on games that Fox Sports broadcasts from Hilton that the broadcast can be very dim and doesn't reflect lighting in the arena. I'm guessing that a lot of that has to do with the quality of camera that they use for the broadcast.

Fox Sports seems to have a lot of problems with quality - with the broadcasts, cameras, production, etc.
Bball Girl
02-20-2010, 03:17 PM
The officiating affected BOTH TEAMS, not just Texas. The difference in the final score is that Texas A&M dealt with it, Texas pouted. 2 points and a 15 minute delay do not win or lose a game.
DblT81
02-20-2010, 03:20 PM
i swear, they probably wouldn't have had all of those clock, foul, basket scoring issues if they just turned some lights on in that place to where everyone could see what was going on.

:D potw!
MsProudSooner
02-20-2010, 03:31 PM
I didn't get to see this game, but a 15 minute delay for officials to review a call is assinine.
mgood1
02-20-2010, 03:45 PM
I have a feeling that it was due more to Fox's broadcast than to the lighting at the arena. We went through just about all of the Fox Sports stations and the clarity was better on some (very slighty).

I've noticed that on games that Fox Sports broadcasts from Hilton that the broadcast can be very dim and doesn't reflect lighting in the arena. I'm guessing that a lot of that has to do with the quality of camera that they use for the broadcast.

Fox Sports seems to have a lot of problems with quality - with the broadcasts, cameras, production, etc.
I thought I was having problems with my poor old television.
Bobcat4956
02-20-2010, 09:31 PM
NOBODY pouted Bballgirl. A & M just pulled it out at the end. I was there and believe me it was absolutely the WORST officiating crew I have ever witnessed. Yes A & M dealt better with it obviously. It was a very physical game which plays to their strength. We lost. We will move on.

I don't know the name of the blonde official but she is absolutely horrible. And if they took points off the board, WE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE BALL - WE DIDN'T. Coach G had EVERY RIGHT to complain. If it was 6 fouls instead of 7, we would have gotten the ball. That is the part that was not reversed.

On to OK State and then Oklahoma at home next Saturday.
Scamp
02-21-2010, 07:35 AM
Q&A with referee Melissa Barlow about controversy
http://www.statesman.com/sports/q-a-with-referee-melissa-barlow-about-controversy-261849.html
mgood1
02-21-2010, 09:02 AM
Q&A with referee Melissa Barlow about controversy
http://www.statesman.com/sports/q-a-with-referee-melissa-barlow-about-controversy-261849.html

Wow, I don't remember ever seeing a ref talk to the press about a call.
ladyhorns1fan
02-21-2010, 10:21 AM
I was there and believe me it was absolutely the WORST officiating crew I have ever witnessed.

Yes, Bobcat, it was. Unbelievably horrible. It was all-around indicative of the incompetency of Melissa Barlow, since she was the lead official.
Bobcat4956
02-21-2010, 10:33 AM
Thanks for reminding me of her name Ladyhorns1fan - Yes - Melissa Barlow - she would be the same official who hit Gail with a technical last year in Austin. She is incompetent at best. I cringe every time I see her because you already know what you are going to get!!!
35TangoTango
02-21-2010, 01:03 PM
I guess I'm missing the point. From everything I've read, the error was the scorekeeper's, not the officials. It's unfortunate that it took so long, but I'm guessing someone had to go through the tape and count the fouls for the half. From Melissa's explanation, it sounds like they did the right thing. Are we argueing that a known error should be allowed to stand if it takes more than "x" amount of time to correct it?
Bobcat4956
02-21-2010, 01:08 PM
I'm not arguing that at all Tango - What I am saying is that Melissa Barlow is a horrible official - probably the worst I have ever seen. She was inconsistent the entire game. I think the point on here was that a mistake such as this was HUGE and impacted the game tremendously. We would have had possession of the ball down 47 to 40 and no one can say what would have happened. A lost possession in a close game with around 4:00 left is crucial. Also, when the mistake was realized, A & M had the ball with about 8 second left on the shot clock. Nothing you can do about what happened, but it certainly was a BIG mistake at a crucial time.
ladyhorns1fan
02-21-2010, 02:11 PM
Furthermore, there were at least 3 very questionable turnovers that were all in favor of A&M. One clearly was off the hip of an A&M player, but the Aggies got possession. Right in front of where we were sitting, Ashley Gayle was absolutely hammered TWICE under the basket (she went to the ground both times) and no call. Although I am sure that there were calls that went against A&M that probably should not have, when you combine the horrible officiating and the 14-minute delay with the taking away of two points at a crucial time, there is no doubting the effect it has on a team's psyche and any momentum they might have going on. Barlow has been horrible EVERY.SINGLE.TIME. I have seen her.
MsProudSooner
02-21-2010, 08:03 PM
Does anyone know if the only way they can resolve an issue like this is by reviewing the video tape? Do the individual teams not keep books in college ball? Couldn't they have consulted those books. I think that's how it would be handled in high school, where they don't have the 'benefit' of video review.
BearLady
02-21-2010, 09:09 PM
Individual teams do keep books in college ball, or at least in the Big 12 they do. When A&M played Baylor in Waco earlier this year, there was a problem with info being correct in A&M's book. They had a player in the game who was not or something similar. Anyhow, when it was discovered -- and I don't recall how that came about -- the A&M bench was ultimately assessed a technical foul. I think the 'official' scorer went back and compared his/her stats to those in the A&M book, or at least that's what I thought happened. There was a lot of checking and apparent reconciling.
tx4OU
02-22-2010, 12:34 PM
Individual teams do keep books in college ball, or at least in the Big 12 they do. When A&M played Baylor in Waco earlier this year, there was a problem with info being correct in A&M's book. They had a player in the game who was not or something similar. Anyhow, when it was discovered -- and I don't recall how that came about -- the A&M bench was ultimately assessed a technical foul. I think the 'official' scorer went back and compared his/her stats to those in the A&M book, or at least that's what I thought happened. There was a lot of checking and apparent reconciling.
That's what I was about to ask. I know in baseball the home team is expected to keep the official scorer's book. If there is a discrepancy (most often batting line-ups) the home team is given an automatic out.

Isn't there something similar in basketball with the official scorer? If there is a mistake, the other team is awarded technical FTs?
BearLady
02-22-2010, 04:02 PM
I'm not really sure how it all unfolds, but I recall that night, it seemed there was the 'official' scorer, which was a Big 12 type person, and then each team also had their own scorers.
tx4OU
02-22-2010, 04:31 PM
I'm not really sure how it all unfolds, but I recall that night, it seemed there was the 'official' scorer, which was a Big 12 type person, and then each team also had their own scorers.
Interesting, b/c I've seen OU people I know working (whatever it is they're in charge of) at the scorer's table. One I know personally, Debbie Copp. I worked at OU's Parking and Transit Office with her partner back when I was at OU. (Now this is for the men's games only.)
35TangoTango
02-22-2010, 05:27 PM
Interesting, b/c I've seen OU people I know working (whatever it is they're in charge of) at the scorer's table. One I know personally, Debbie Copp. I worked at OU's Parking and Transit Office with her partner back when I was at OU. (Now this is for the men's games only.)

Even though the scorekeeper people are supplied by the home school they are, for the time of that game, working for the Big 12. You will notice (at least at OU), they wear Big 12 attire, not that of the home team.