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Jimi

01-29-2003, 10:51 PM

74 - 69 ISU final

Good job by ISU. They hit their foul shots down the final minute. Some ISU fans must not think their team accomplished much. They were chanting "OVER-RATED". Easily the dummest chant in basketball. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif It demeans your own team.

ISU earned this over a darn good team. Celebrate it!

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YCN

01-29-2003, 10:53 PM

Amazing! I'm amazed at all the games tonight. Big 12 is strutting its stuff tonight.

No unbeaten teams this year, as if there was any question as to whether or not that would happen.

(Sorry, Jimi. KSU gets a welcome to the Big 12 brawl.)

JohnHenry

01-29-2003, 10:58 PM

You've gotta be kidding. Wow. That guy can coach & ISU can really circle the wagons.

Kinda confirms what I had thought about KSU's depth, though. If they're missing one of their 3 main scoring threats, they can flounder. Hadn't faced a stout road challenge since Stanford.

What were Ohlde's #s? Who was doing the damage for ISU?

:UT:

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mred

01-29-2003, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by Jimi:
They were chanting "OVER-RATED". Easily the dummest chant in basketball. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif It demeans your own team.

I don't think you'll get any disagreement on this board. Whenever I'm at a game and my fellow ISU fans chant that, I'm tempted to yell at them to shut up.

Jimi

01-29-2003, 11:00 PM

I'm not shocked at this YCN. Bill Fennelly is a very excellent coach and his defense did its job. ISU obviously worked very hard on both ends of the floor.

Congrats Iowa State Cyclones.

GO BIG 12!!!

Jimi

01-29-2003, 11:25 PM

Lindsey Wilson had 27 points, O'Neil 18, Kriener 14, Cofield 12. I would speculate that all of Cofield's points were from 3's. Patterson even had Ohlde switch out on Wilson to try to slow her down. From the KSU broadcast it is apparent she was HOT! Fox led ISU with 8 rebounds, Kriener 7. ISU had 11 fouls.

Mahoney scored 22, Ohlde 21, Wecker 10, Madden 8 & Domenico 6.
Ohlde & Madden each had 8 rebounds, Wecker 7. KSU 21 fouls.

I would not assume the foul disparity was poor calls. The way these teams match up its possible that KSU was not aggressive enough in driving to the basket etc. vs. ISU's "junk" zones. And trust me their zones are not junk even if they are "junk".

YCN

01-29-2003, 11:29 PM

Interesting! Thanks for the commentary, Jimi.

I still think it's a two-team horse race between KSU and Tech. We'll see what happens the next few weeks, but after a sedate start the Big 12 is rounding into form.

ChipperF1

01-29-2003, 11:35 PM

The Ames Hilton: You can check out, but you can never leave.

Nice job Clones!

JohnHenry

01-29-2003, 11:37 PM

"Two-team horse race", eh? That's Okie talk, friend. Conveniently not mentioning:

a) your Sooners just got stuffed at home
b) We beat Tech as well and are tied for first
c) Tech still has to play KSU, OU, ISU (hello!)and Texas again

Texas is for real - just admit it.

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ISUbballfan

01-29-2003, 11:38 PM

Wow what a game. Just got home and had a great time. It really reminded me of the Oklahoma game last year. Was the game on TV in Kansas? It looked like there were some commentators filming before the game.

YCN

01-29-2003, 11:39 PM

JH, are you saying that the Horns have invited themselves to the party?

Did they RSVP?

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Cory

01-29-2003, 11:43 PM

I already have tickets at Atlanta.
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(To root for what ever big 12 team is there.)

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Jimi

01-29-2003, 11:44 PM

It was on Metro Sports in the KC area and will be shown on tape at 11:35pm tomorow on WIBW Channel 13 Topeka. Do you think I'll want to watch it?

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swok34

01-29-2003, 11:46 PM

Tech still has to play KSU, OU, ISU (hello!)and Texas again

ah, but Texas Tech gets KSU, ISU, Texas AND OU at home.......

and Texas has to play ISU and Texas Tech at their house..with only a return visit by OU.

I, too, still think it's Texas Tech and Kansas State tying it up at #1, with Texas Tech getting the nod over Kansas State for winning at home.

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DblT81

01-29-2003, 11:50 PM

Tech still has to play KSU {in Lubbock}, OU {in Lubbock}, ISU {in Lubbock} and Texas {in Lubbock}

Texas still has to play Colorado, OU, ISU in Ames, and Tech in Lubbock

JohnHenry

01-29-2003, 11:52 PM

YCN -

Yes, and I think we may even stay awhile this time. I think the KSU game proved to most of the remaining doubters that anybody who wants to work on the Horns had better drink their coffee and pack a lunch.

And where will OU's 'little engines-that-could' be come March?
We'll always be in the hunt; most of the others will be cyclical (like OU...)Facts of life, friend. (with apologies to the lately departed Nell Carter). Sing a little song with me now -

The Eyes of Texas are upon you - all the live long day...

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ChipperF1

01-29-2003, 11:52 PM

I'd have to side with John Henry. You have to consider the Longhorns in the equation now.
Especially given that they've beaten TTU, and based on what KSU looked like tonight, they'd probably beat them too this time around

Bball Girl

01-29-2003, 11:52 PM

WOW...so how did Mizzou beat ISU by 30 at Hilton?

Don't get me wrong...Mizzou's got a nice team...but that Hilton hex (maybe Mizzou didn't drink the water and K-State did?) and ISU's creative defenses are always a test for any team.

I hate to hear that Koehn is still ailing...

It's good to see the Big 12 being competitive. No one doubts that Texas is for real...but I thought we were talking about KSU and ISU here.

elfdenmom

01-29-2003, 11:55 PM

Heaven knows, I don't want to throw ice water on our prospects, but Tech still has to play Baylor on the road and those nasty rumors about Texas on the road... I think that is just what they are... rumors.

DblT81

01-30-2003, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by JohnHenry:

We'll always be in the hunt

Big 12 Championships:
Tech 3
OU 3
ISU 1
KU 1

Exactly when has Texas been in the hunt in the Big 12 championship race at the end of February?

OK Texas was in the "hunt" in 1997... Not exactly "always" in my book--
B12 Tournament Championship
1997 Texas was the #2 seed
1998 Texas was the #7 seed
1999 Texas was the #4 seed
2000 Texas was the #6 seed
2001 Texas was the #7 seed
2002 Texas was the #5 seed

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Bball Girl

01-30-2003, 12:14 AM

...any team can beat any other team on any given night...

The kicker is that no matter how good you are or you think you are..it's what happens on the court that counts. But hey Texas...we appreciate the compliment..if beating Tech means that you now think you are real (we knew it all along)...you are very welcome and we will have a welcoming party awating you in the USA but I can't promise you that you'll enjoy the party...we'll just have to wait and see.

DblT81

01-30-2003, 12:19 AM

Hey this is interesting, look how OU improves by 3 spots each yr in the B12 race:
B12 Tournament Championship
1997 OU was the #12 seed
1998 OU was the #9 seed
1999 OU was the #6 seed
2000 OU was the #3 seed (tied for 1st in conf, lost tie breakers)
2001 OU was the #1 seed
2002 OU was the #1 seed

That is some kind of cycle.... http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif

SKATERBOY

01-30-2003, 12:47 AM

dblt81
I think finally Texas is getting the respect it deserves. Tell me why Texas Tech does not give tickets to the texas fans behind their bench? a couple of us called yesterday since we are going to Lubbock when we play down there, and we were told that we had to buy our tickets the monday before the game and could only sit in the nose bleed section, and still nothing could be promised. we sure make room for the other schools when they come to the erwin center. we were told that more than likely we would be spread out. funny huh....

DblT81

01-30-2003, 01:03 AM

Skater,

I don't work in the ticket office and I don't live in Lubbock, but I believe there are several rows behind the visitor's bench that are reserved for tickets reserved for the visiting team. I suppose it is mostly family and friends that sit there.

I believe the remaining lower bowl tickets on both court sides are season tickets which are pretty much sold out. To build the arena, Tech sold personal seat licenses. The more prime seats that could be sold, the more money. Economics. Most of the seats in the lower section on the north end are also sold season tickets but there are a few available for game by game purchase. Of course, you will be mixed in with mostly Tech fans. The south end is all student seating.

There is not a bad seat in the USA. The view is very good from every seat in the house. I've tried 'em all out. All of the top sections are general admission so you can sit anywhere in the upper sections as long as you get there about an hour before the game.

I don't know about a formal area for visiting fans. Maybe there is one, but I don't usually see very many visiting fans at the USA. Could be 'cause they are all spread out.... http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif

Bballgirl can probably shed better light on this situation.

DBLTFarmer

01-30-2003, 01:03 AM

Texas still has to go to Baylor as does Tech. Tech has basically finished their toughest road games. (although no road game is a given) Texas and K-State still have their toughest games to go.

Skaterboy, I know their is always a contingent of opponents fans sitting behind the opponents bench at the USA. Texas may just bring too many dignitaries. Parents should get the seats first then Ann Richards can get hers. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif

dem

01-30-2003, 01:48 AM

Originally posted by Jimi:
They were chanting "OVER-RATED". Easily the dummest chant in basketball. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif It demeans your own team.

ISU earned this over a darn good team. Celebrate it!

Please don't think that this chant was at all representative of the crowd's feelings. I was at the game and I didn't hear anyone yell "overrated." Iowa State fans are VERY well aware of how good a team they beat tonight, and they showed their appreciation on every play -- especially on defense. Every deflected shot or pass, every loose ball scramble, every time Ohlde or Wecker were prevented from scoring, every time the shot clock wound down near zero -- all got great crowd reactions. They knew how hard their team had to be playing to slow down an offense as potent as K State.

RaiderPower1

01-30-2003, 01:57 AM

Every visiting team's basketball office is alloted a certain amount of tickets right behind the visitors bench. These tickets first go to family and "special guests." When there are tickets left, you can ask for some, but I would imagine there will not be any for the Texas game so you'll have to sit general admission which is top bowl. My mother and I are going to the Baylor game in Waco when Texas Tech visits. We know Coach White, so we kindly asked and we received. He is a very nice man by the way and we appreciate all his help when we went to Hawaii with the team.

Jimi

01-30-2003, 02:13 AM

Originally posted by dem:
Please don't think that this chant was at all representative of the crowd's feelings.

Oh! No problem dem. I never for a minute thought it was. It was clear over the broadcast but did not sound like a great horde. I sure don't want you to judge the vast majority of KSU fans based on what a few guys feeling their oats (or in some cases here at least, a few jerks) holler at a game. I'm sorry I gave the impression that it was a big portion of the crowd. I stand by my comments for the characters who did holler it though.

In any case its a more or less harmless chant. I just think its not a smart thing to chant and I hate to see fans tear down rather than support. Maybe living with a cheerleader daughter for 2 years of junior high, four years of highschool and four years of college has made me over focused of crowd behavior and the influence it has on the overall expirience that the game is for the fans. I like it to be positive and don't care for disrespectfull comments or cheers. I realize most of the negative stuff is not really meant to be mean or hurtful and is just done as "fun".

Press

01-30-2003, 09:47 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DblT81:
[B] Big 12 Championships:
Tech 3
OU 3
ISU 1
KU 1

Exactly when has Texas been in the hunt in the Big 12 championship race at the end of February?

OK Texas was in the "hunt" in 1997... Not exactly "always" in my book--
B12 Tournament Championship
1997 Texas was the #2 seed
1998 Texas was the #7 seed
1999 Texas was the #4 seed
2000 Texas was the #6 seed
2001 Texas was the #7 seed
2002 Texas was the #5 seed [B] [QUOTE]

Dblt, you're my favorite! http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/biggrin.gif You always come up with the most factual information and in your own cordial way, nip that sum'***** in the bud! http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif

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swok34

01-30-2003, 11:08 AM

I also think the "ticket" issue has something to do with the attendance and season-ticket holders a school has.

Last year in Baylor, we were in the nosebleeds with tickets we got through OU. At that time, we were told there were only 25 seats behind the bench for "player passes". A player typically gets 4 passes per game; last year at Baylor, only 2 of those player passes could be used behind the bench.

This year, thanks to Zo, we were behind the bench in a section next to the parent's......and a friend that went down with us was able to buy a ticket in that section.....I noticed last night that OU reserves the 3 rows behind the bench for the same..
I don't know how many that entails....but I do now that seats on row 4 are season ticket holders.

Cyclones Rule

01-30-2003, 01:13 PM

First I want to start out by saying that I enjoy this website. I was introduced to it last year and enjoyed it.

But something that was brought up here I have a problem with. I wasn't going to saying anything, but the more I thought about it the angrier I got.

I am going to be in the minority here, but I don't care what anybody thinks about me. I am a student at ISU, and yes I was one of the OVER-RATED chanters. For those who want to know most of the chanters were students.

First off there are a lot worse things that are said. It is a very harmless chant. And people if your team is ranked it comes with the territory.

When ISU was ranked and was upset it happened to us and I had no problem with it, and in fact a couple of years ago ISU was upset by a struggling at that time KSU and I sure wildcat fans did the same thing.

As one of the younger posters here it just upset me to hear comments like these. Its people like that who take all the FUN out of the experience.

Cyclones Rule

01-30-2003, 01:14 PM

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carolann

01-30-2003, 01:34 PM

Good for you for speaking up, CyclonesRule. Speaking for myself, it is a little bit of a fine line for some of us older folks. We want you and your energy at the game but then we turn around and want you to act like old folks. The game needs young people to go to the game. You generally provide more noise, and more energy for your teams. Besides, it means a lot to the players to have support from their peers.

I went to a men's game at UT a few weeks ago and was just disgusted. A man was just arriving at the game (before tip-off, mind you), standing up, taking off his coat and some woman yelled 'down in front'! Coach Barnes, the UT men's coach, was quoted in the paper today as saying that if you don't want to stand up, you should stay home and watch the game on television. He doesn't object to the hostile environments at places like OU and OSU in the men's game. He just wants Texas to provide the same home court environment for its own team. It won't do the womens' fans any harm to stand up and yell a little either. Of course, since we're womens' fans, we'll always be a little nicer. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif.

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carolann

01-30-2003, 01:35 PM

meant to edit my last post.

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mred

01-30-2003, 01:36 PM

For those who want to know most of the chanters were students.

Not surprising that it was audible on the radio. Some of the student sections are right by media row. This is not always a good idea. I remember listening to an ISU WBB big XII away game on the radio once, and I heard a lot of profanity in the background. (I'm withholding the name of the team because I don't remember. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif ) The students should not be near the radio people, but unfortunately those are some of the best seats. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif

As one of the younger posters here it just upset me to hear comments like these. Its people like that who take all the FUN out of the experience.

The problem I have with the chant is this: ISU beats KSU, and I'd liek to think that it means that perhaps ISU is better than people give them credit for. By chanting "Overrated," you are basically saying "We suck, but you guys do too!"

There are a lot worse things that could be chanted (like the infamous "B.S." chant after a bad call), but it doesn't mean I have to like it.

And I'm not a whole lot older than you. ISU class of 2001.

swok34

01-30-2003, 02:03 PM

I appreciate your voicing your opinion, Cyclones Rule....
heck, if we all agreed around here, we'd be pretty boring http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif

And, I agree that it's the students, that prompt most of the "raucous" cheering you hear at games. I heard booing when the Texas team was introduced last night....I don't do it because I think it's kinda classless, but I also don't participate. It's not a common occurrence at women's bb games.
Folks behind me used to complain about me standing up, good thing they moved http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif

But with the rivalry OU/UT has in football, it carries fans into some games that they wouldn't otherwise attend.
I was actually I little surprised that OU didn't have better attendance last night......I would almost bet 300 folks would show up for a tiddlywinks match between OU/UT.

Bball Girl

01-30-2003, 03:15 PM

I love having the students involved in the games and luckily my seat mates in front and in back are just as much into the game as I am...

What I don't like are the personal remarks yelled at the other players...there were a few nasty ones from the student section directed at Stephens last year that were audible from the other end of the floor where I sit. The overrated chant to me is silly unless the other team comes in with an arrogant attitude. When Tech played Tulane in the NCAA's...one of their players shot her mouth off all weak and made the mistake of saying that playing Tech was merely a formality...Well when we were up by 20 with a couple of minutes to go...the Band started chanting Formality and that was funny.

But you've got to be careful. A couple of years ago...the student section was yelling "high school" at the Missouri team and many other nastier things which I won't repeat after we beat them by a bunch. The Missouri team took that personally and returned the favor the next year...the Missouri players stated that their treatment by the Tech students made them determined to kick Tech's butt and they did.

I hate cheap shots and cheap yells. If you've got to be nasty..stay at home and yell at the tv. If you come to have fun and support your team and good basketball..than by all means yell your head off. Just remember...treat the other team like you would want your team to be treated...if it were your sister out on that court...

Lone Star Grizzly

01-30-2003, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by carolann:
Good for you for speaking up, CyclonesRule. Speaking for myself, it is a little bit of a fine line for some of us older folks. We want you and your energy at the game but then we turn around and want you to act like old folks. The game needs young people to go to the game. You generally provide more noise, and more energy for your teams. Besides, it means a lot to the players to have support from their peers.

I agree with carolann. Wbb needs more students and they need to be vocal. Generally (always a dangerous word), the demographics of wbb crowds are skewed toward older people and parents with children. Many students may have the same opinion as the Penn State student newspaper sportswriter (quoted in another thread) that wbb is not deserving of their time. This will change as wbb gets more media coverage, i.e., TV.

I think KMR said somewhere that she wanted large, knowledgable, and loud crowds for Lady Bear home games--to make playing in the Ferrell Center more of a challenge. Of course, for nearly 20 years she had been accustomed to rabid La Tech crowds.

The part about players appreciating the support of peers is right on the nose. Being a student-athlete is a challenging experience. Knowing you are appreciated by your fellow students is important.

Anytime a ranked team, especially one ranked #3, loses to an unranked team, the first inclination is to say the losing team was ranked too high and the winning team should have been ranked.
As we all know, in the Big 12 every game, home or away, is a war and even ranked teams are not safe when playing unranked teams.

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