View Full Version : ISU v. Northern Iowa
elfdenmom
12-08-2002, 09:37 PM
Northern Iowa 65. ISU 58. Is this a typo? If not, what the heck is going on?
I have no clue. Soph post Lisa Kriener scored 27 points, but nobody else scored double figures. ISU has a lot of issues to figure out.
HuskerFan86
12-08-2002, 11:50 PM
I figured that post play would be ISU's achilles heel this year and that the Clones would have an awesome perimeter game, but thus far, its been the other way around.
What does Coach Fennely have to say about all this?
NorthForty
12-09-2002, 12:50 AM
**What does Coach Fennely have to say about all this?**
Coach has told them if they don't shoot they get taken out. Junod had been benched along with several others during the course of a game. I think they are struggling with confidence and nobody wants to step up to be the leader. Wilson is a given but nobody else is showing any kind of fire.
cycofan
12-09-2002, 07:49 AM
Wilson has been sick, and it doesn't sound like anyone wants to shoot the ball from more than 5 feet away from the basket. The shots just aren't falling, and I think it is a mental case right now.
The team is playing good defense. They've held all of their opponents in the 60's or lower. With Fennelly's system, that usually guarantees a win.....but not when the team feels like they can't throw the ball in the ocean.
Lisa Kriener must be the ultimate team player. She played a terrific game last night. If not for her, this would have been a lot bigger loss. Here is her post game comment: It's tough, because coach Fennelly is not used to this at all," Kriener said. "I feel horrible. With Angie (Welle) and Tracy (Gahan) gone, I feel like a lot of it was put on me. I try to do what I can, but it doesn't feel like it's enough. I just have to keep working hard." Maybe the loss of Angie and Tracy had as big an emotional impact as physical?
I still believe this team will come around. Better to go through this ugly stretch now than in February. God help whoever they are playing when those shots start falling. TThis team is still capable of lighting it up.
cycofan
12-09-2002, 08:04 AM
Just looked at the box score. Look at these shooting percentages.....hopefully it won't last!
TOTAL FG% 1st Half: 11-25 .440 2nd Half: 13-30 .433 Game: .436
3-Pt. FG% 1st Half: 1-5 .200 2nd Half: 1-8 .125 Game: .154
F Throw % 1st Half: 2-2 1.000 2nd Half: 6-10 .600 Game: .667 1
elfdenmom
12-09-2002, 03:08 PM
Maybe they aren't being aggressive enough on offense. This sounds like they are not getting to the free throw line much and that used to be one of their strengths.
Originally posted by elfdenmom:
Maybe they aren't being aggressive enough on offense. This sounds like they are not getting to the free throw line much and that used to be one of their strengths.
From what I've heard, you've hit the nail on the head. BF has tried pushing the "shoot it before you turn it over" theory, but this team just has no confidence in their shot. He can yell at them to shoot all he wants, but they just won't pull the trigger. If they won't be aggressive, they end up turning it over or tossing up bad shots to beat the shotclock, and you aren't going to get to the foul line much doing that.
schooner2
12-09-2002, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by cycofan:
I still believe this team will come around. Better to go through this ugly stretch now than in February. God help whoever they are playing when those shots start falling. TThis team is still capable of lighting it up.
Oh, don't worry it will turn around. Just have them play Oklahoma and ISU will suddenly play the game of their lives and miraculously shoot 60% from the field and have just 7 turnovers in the game.
swok34
12-09-2002, 04:21 PM
lol.......the bad thing is that ISU and OU don't meet until February 22.
Jennifer
12-09-2002, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by swok34:
lol.......the bad thing is that ISU and OU don't meet until February 22.
And ISU's shots will definitely be falling by then! http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif
While the loss of Welle is tough to replace, I think losing a player like Gahan (and Taylor before her) was huge. ISU doesn't have the clutch player that will hit a 3 or get an offensive rebound and a put back. Notice I said "will" and not "can".
Gahan was a favorite non-OU player of mine. She did everything pretty well, but did so quietly.
With all of the hype on Anne O'neill's offense, I would expect her to be that one.
Originally posted by schooner:
Oh, don't worry it will turn around. Just have them play Oklahoma and ISU will suddenly play the game of their lives and miraculously shoot 60% from the field and have just 7 turnovers in the game.
Yeah. The great thing is we can always count on a victory against http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/ou.gif. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/wink.gif
It's a good thing ISU pulled out that victory @ OU two years ago, since fans of both teams can look back at it fondly. I still wonder how ISU managed to go from being up 77-59 with 6:13 left to being down 79-77 with 1:32 left.
[This message has been edited by mred (edited 12-09-2002).]
swok34
12-09-2002, 05:14 PM
mred........and OU hasn't lost a home court game since http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif THAT was a great game. Don't know that OU will still be touting that home court advantage by the end of February.
two cents
12-10-2002, 10:20 AM
The Cyclones may miss Angie Welle's productivity on the boards even more than the basketballs she put in the bucket. Welle averaged 11.3 rpg last year. Nobody on this year's team is averaging more than 6.8 (Cofield); Kriener is only pulling down 4.5 boards per game so far. On top of that, Tracy Gahan, as the second leading rebounder last year, grabbed 7.6 rpg. That's about 19 rebounds per game that must be replaced. It's not happening yet. For the season, Iowa State outrebounded opponents last year by 9.2 per game (40.5 avg). This year, they are netting 2.7 less (35.2 avg) than their opponents, a shift in net difference of about 12 per game. That's difficult to overcome when the shooting percentages are down a little also (.487 last year--.391 this year).
Bear in mind, last year's stats reflect average results after a rigorous Big 12 schedule and post-season play. The discrepancies are very likely worse than these numbers suggest. For instance, out of 14 non-conference games (including NCAA) last year, Iowa St was outrebounded only once (Auburn) by a single rebound and tied once (Northwestern). They were outrebounded five times in 19 conference games. Already this year, the Cyclones have been outrebounded twice (Iowa and No. Iowa) in four games. Northern Iowa's 16 offensive boards (6 for ISU) were probably the key to victory, as the Panthers actually had a lower shooting percentage than the Cyclones.
The good news is this is probably reparable, but it may require increased physical toughness on the part of inexperienced post players. Coach Fennelly knows what he's looking for when he recruits players. He knows how to get productivity out of his team. They do have a fairly easy tournament coming up and then another eight days to prepare for Washington. Somewhere down the line this season Iowa State is likely to get pretty good. In the meantime, the growing pains might be just that---painful.
schooner2
12-10-2002, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by mred:
It's a good thing ISU pulled out that victory @ OU two years ago, since fans of both teams can look back at it fondly. I still wonder how ISU managed to go from being up 77-59 with 6:13 left to being down 79-77 with 1:32 left.
I was talking to someone about that game just the other day. That was the oddest game in that OU was just dead and never in the game whatsoever. And then suddenly and miracously they started nailing 3s and making several old-fashioned 3-point plays. If I remember correctly, everything OU did offensively from the 6:13 mark was a 3-point play except one time. And when OU went up by two, there was a great shot of Coach Coale on the bench who was having to literally bite her lip to contain her enthusiasm because she knew the game wasn't over. Sure enough, ISU scores the final 4 points for the victory.
At the 6:13 mark, noone would have dreamed OU was about to go on a 6-0 run, let alone a 20-0 run.
Originally posted by schooner:
I was talking to someone about that game just the other day. That was the oddest game in that OU was just dead and never in the game whatsoever. And then suddenly and miracously they started nailing 3s and making several old-fashioned 3-point plays.
And it's not like ISU forgot how to play defense either. This was a case of OU hitting absolutely everything it put up.
Megan Taylor took several potential game-winning shots at ISU, and about half of them fell. That was one of them. http://hoopscoop.net/ubb/smile.gif
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