Nebraska...what is the DEAL?

[kate dawg]

VB/BB standout Cepero and QB Lord "ticketed" and detoxed....
http://www.journalstar.com/latest_spt.php?story_id=31476

[This message has been edited by kate dawg (edited 10-14-2002).]

[NoDakSt]

Lincoln...we have a problem.

[Cat-swishhh]

Both individuals are supposed to be the team leaders in their respective sports...Certainly a black eye to the program. What does it say when they are apparently drunk in season?...to me they have let down their teams. I would think there would be conditioning rules....that might have been broken. They are of legal age but failed to display good judgement in exercising moderation. Lord seems to be getting most of the attention so far but the primary damage may show up in the volleyball program which prides itself on the good citizenship of its players, has a better season on the line, and has more to lose in this incident.
Yep, I know that I am old-fashioned....but I think discipline is important for sports teams. Players need to show discipline in training for their sport and teams need to show discipline in applying team rules.


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[HuskerFan86]

Just because these are two prominent players on their respective teams doesn't make this earth shattering news. This is very reminiscent of the article about NU baseball All-American Matt Hopper getting into a fight 2 weeks ago..."This just in: College Guy Gets into Fight!!!"...who cares? I wish this kind of news could be kept out of the papers, because it isn't any of our business. How would you like a front page article on you everytime you got into some trouble?

On the other hand, this is also a serious insult to their respective teams and coaches. It shows a lot of irresponsibility and poor decision making on the part of Greicha and Jammal.

I'm not defending what they did, but its not like they were putting anyone else in danger. Getting into trouble is part of college, they just chose a terrible time to do it, during the season.

You can't put college athletes on a pedistal, because just like all the rest of us, they're human!!!!

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[ChipperF1]

"You can't put college athletes on a pedistal, because just like all the rest of us, they're human!!!!

I disagree with this 100%.

When you wear the uniform, you have a responsibility to do it better and cleaner than anybody else.
When you chose to become an athlete, when you chose to be on a team, you chose to follow the rules.

And the #1 rule is:

IF IT'S DUMB, DON'T DO IT!

Getting drunk is dumb anytime, but during the competitive season? That is unexcusable. You shouldn't even be within 500 miles of that "alkiehol".

And then Five-Oh comes along and you act up and try to struggle with the constable?

If I'm Frank Solich, Jamaal Lord wouldn't have the opportunity to fumble the ball, throw interceptions and basically be unprepared the way he's been all season.

If I'm John Cook, I'd tell Scarecrow Cepero she'd better have a friend who has season tickets, because there's no way she's playing again until I'm good ready too let her do so. Which will be around the time hell freezes over. Yet another example of poor focus by Griechaly Cepero.

Legal or not, when you are on the ballclub, the expectation is to be clean and don't do anything that would embarrass the ballclub on the field or off of it.

[kate dawg]

I'm with you Chipper. I'm embarrassed by all the stuff that CU has had go on this past offseason with FB players acting like jackasses on a regular basis. I'm kind of disppointed that people with frickin DUI's and similar type issues are allowed to go about their ordinary business like it's no big deal.

I'd sit Cepero's butt for awhile, and same with Lord. So what if they're just doing what every other college kids does on a regular basis; they are and they should continue to be expected to conduct themselves above and beyond the "regular college kid" standard. They aren't regular college kids. They are athletes, who are going to school for free.

[ChipperF1]

"So what if they're just doing what every other college kids does on a regular basis; they are and they should continue to be expected to conduct themselves above and beyond the "regular college kid" standard."

I don't like it when regular college kids do it, either. But this is yet another example of how we've lost a sense of discipline, fear and shame in our society.

"So what if they're doing what every other college kid does."

If my son or daughter ever says those words to me, than I haven't done my job as a parent.

[HuskerFan86]

You both have great points, they aren't like every other college kid and they should face consequences. What I meant was that they don't deserve all the attention and criticism they get from the fans, because it isn't an of our business! What right do all these random people have to bash these athletes when they have done the very same thing in the past? The legal and disciplinary actions should be kept between the coach, the player, and the police. I can't blame the media for pouncing on this story, because the public wants to know, but everytime something like this happens, it always seems very hypocritical to me.

They made stupid decisions and betrayed their teams, and they should be severely penalized on the court. Its all the consequences they face off the court that I disagree with.

If a person on full ride academic scholarship is caught drinking and is taken to detox, is it front page news?!? I don't think so... My first post was off a little, I'm not defending what they did because it was really stupid. What I meant my first post to emphasize was the fact that this story wil be beatin until it's dead for the next 2 years in Lincoln, and I don't want to hear about it...It's none of my business!! Why not keep it under raps until John Cook and Frank Solich have dealt with the issue and then simply report that says: "Greichaly Cepero has been suspended until further notice for violating team rules." Maybe I'm totally off, but this fan doesn't need to know every issue which arises about 21 year old kid who's acting like the majority of his college peers.

[ChipperF1]

"What right do all these random people have to bash these athletes when they have done the very same thing in the past? The legal and disciplinary actions should be kept between the coach, the player, and the police. I can't blame the media for pouncing on this story, because the public wants to know, but everytime something like this happens, it always seems very hypocritical to me."

I agree to a point, but the fact of matter goes back to what these kids signed up for.

1. C'mon Huskerfan. The starting quarterback get caught in some mess at the University of Nebraska. You know every microphone and camera from Omaha to Scottsbluff is on that story, and they know it to.

2. The inning and the score is simple. You will be watched because you wear that scarlet and cream and represent the university. For right or wrong, you got the responsibility when you got the uniform. Don't want the responsibility? GIVE THE UNIFORM BACK!

3. Again you seem to get caught in that "everybody does it" syndrome. Well, contrary to popular belief everybody's NOT DOING IT!

These two showed poor judgement in every regard. Both have positions of leadership on their respective teams, and in the case of Griechaly, she's one of the best in the country at what she does.
What bothers me the most is that this is during the competitive season. If I was either one's teammate, I'd look at them very different right now.

Is it just me, or is the poor example of the womens basketball team spreading at Nebraska?


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[Jimi]

Reading Coach Solich's comments in the Omaha & Lincoln papers was a downer for me. This is sad for both athletes and the football program.

I was sorry to see the coach say what I took to mean; If there is not too big a stink I will not sit Lord down. I won't take any action unless I have too.

If that truly is his attitude I really don't like it. As a life long Big Red fan that has converted to Purple for WBB it disturbs me to see ethics and standards at this level. I can tell you that a cheerleader on my daughter's squad who took ANY drink during the season would be REMOVED from the team. I can tell you that because she was faced with that problem and had to remove her best friend. She did it because first, the cheerleader broke established rules and let the team down, and second, the team needed to know that the rules were there for everybody. Letting off her assistant captain and top squad member would have sent the wrong message. I think if the facts are as reported and Coach Solich really does not plan to take action, Coach Solich is sending a VERY WRONG message and is undermining his own authority.

I am not commenting on Coach Cook because I have not seen comments from him about what he plans to do. I hope both coaches take strong actions. I think that would be in the long term best interests of not only the teams but also Ceparo & Lord. It is not doing them a favor to let them off. That type of behavior will only be reinforced to their future detriment. There is a lot more to life than athletics.

[HuskerFan86]

"3. Again you seem to get caught in that "everybody does it" syndrome. Well, contrary to popular belief everybody's NOT DOING IT! "

Don't misinterpret me for some one who turns the other cheek to substance abuse. A few years ago I lost a relative to liver cancer, and its no mystery what the cause was... I haven't touched the stuff since and I probably never will. Abusing alcohol is probably one of the stupidest acts known to man, and I don't in anyway support or accept it. I'm not defending Greicha for what she did, but I don't think she deserves the stigma that she will receive for the remainder of her storied career.

Let's not forget that Greichaly Cepero is not only an All-American, she is also a two time academic all-american and has made dean's list ever since she arrived on campus. I also know Greicha on a personal level, and she is a great person. It's just said that one night of bad decisions will tarnish the reputation and career of such a great student athlete.

I think this really summarizes the state of our society...Tonight on the 6 o'clock news, the local newscaster spent approximately 8 minutes talking about their lead story, 'Lord in Trouble with Law', after rambling for what seemed like forever, he mentioned as a side note the 3 time all big 12 volleyball setter Greichaly Cepero was also arrested. Then after going to a commercial break, they finally talked about a story that was actually important, the Baltimore police had apprehended a suspect of the sniper shootings... Is it just me, or does it seem a little strange that the unadmirable escapades of the Nebraska QB outwiegh the arrest of a man who has been terrorizing the east coast for almost 2 week?!? Only in America...

Well, I'm done commenting on this, its not worthy of my time or acknowledgement. But don't worry, I'm sure the Nebraska media will more than make up for me, by covering this topic non stop for the next 6 or 7 weeks.



[This message has been edited by HuskerFan86 (edited 10-14-2002).]

[Cat-swishhh]

Ceparo gets a one game suspension plus has to complete a diversion program....Lord...well, I am not quite sure what he got but apparently it did not involve any removal of playing time. Lord has displayed some sensitivity to the press lately..me thinks he better be developing some real thick skin in a hurry before he goes on the field in the next two away games. Buckle up your chinbelt real good, Jamaal.....I'm sure the opposing fans are going to be all over him and Coach Frankie.
http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_np=0&u_pg=38&u_sid=534047


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[Jimi]

I'm sad to see that Jammal Lord did not get any suspension. I do have to concede that Coach Solich has more info than I do, but I haven't seen anything in his comments that changes my mind from my earlier post. I also think its too bad that Coach Solich's policy is that drinking is not a disciplinary issue for his team. Only "trouble" from drinking is. By his own statements a lot of the "trouble" comes from drinking.

I may be nuts on this but as a guy with kids in their twenties including a son-in-law who was a scholarship Cross Country athlete I don't think giving up alcohol for the length of the season is too much to ask. Its either a relatively small commitment in return for the chance to compete in college sports or drinking is already out of control for the young person. A drink is not more important than your commitment to the team.

[ChipperF1]

The rest of the story...and a further reason why Chipper wouldn't make a very good head coach.

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_np=0&u_pg=38&u_sid=536753

Griechaly went in front of everybody and publicly apologized.

Whether she had to do it or not is immaterial. I give her massive respect for doing so.

[mred]

Originally posted by Jimi:
I'm sad to see that Jammal Lord did not get any suspension. I do have to concede that Coach Solich has more info than I do,

Here's the deal. Lord was ticketed for disturbing the peace. When the police came, he was apparently cooperative. Cepero was also ticketed for disturbing the peace, but when the police came she was not particularly cooperative and also was ticketed with interference with official acts.

Two reasons Cepero was suspended and Lord wasn't:

1. Cepero was in more legal trouble.
2. There are a whole lot more volleyball matches than football games, so a 1-game suspension in football is a lot worse than a one-match suspension in volleyball.

I don't know if Lord was disciplined at all, and he obviously should have, but I don't think a single disturbing the peace ticket warrants a suspension.

The world must be ending. I just defended Nebraska football.

[kate dawg]

Good for her for taking responsibility. Jammal Lord is a joke. Four incidents in 18 months? Oh wait, they have a five strikes rule with football, so I guess he hasn't done anything wrong.

[mred]

Originally posted by kate dawg:
Good for her for taking responsibility. Jammal Lord is a joke. Four incidents in 18 months? Oh wait, they have a five strikes rule with football, so I guess he hasn't done anything wrong.

To clarify my comment, I made my statements regarding the suspension or lack thereof for Cepero and Lord based on no prior record. I haven't followed the situation close enough to know what has happened in the past.