Here & There 2/14

[Bball Girl]

Happy Valentines Day! LSU Lady Tigers kicking some butt in Knoxville.

LSU 78 Tenneesee 62 !!!!

[wildcatfan]

Sweet Justice!

[Dale8R]

Somebody had to do it. :rotflol:

[Bball Girl]

And who better than LSU in Knoxville no less!

I respect Candace Parker's game - but I really dislike her sense of entitlement - the look of "don't you know WHO I am" when she's called for foul.

LSU or Rutgers are my choices for a non Big 12 team to win the NC!

[Dale8R]

And here's one from yesterday that we didn't mention. Wyoming lost their third game in the last four to TCU 73-59. They're on a pretty good streak. Jeff Mittie has been doing well there since leaving Arkansas State.

[Bball Girl]

And here's one from yesterday that we didn't mention. Wyoming lost their third game in the last four to TCU 73-59. They're on a pretty good streak. Jeff Mittie has been doing well there since leaving Arkansas State.

And in between Wyoming beat UNM :(

[Dale8R]

The Big 10, Little 11 or whatever seems to be looking for a multi-team tie. Iowa was in 1st place, but lost to Purdue 69-46 to fall into a tie with the Boilermakers. OSU (the other one) is a half game back and Minnesota is right behind that.

[jcarter]

congrats to LSU on the win

[LadyBuff]

And who better than LSU in Knoxville no less!

I respect Candace Parker's game - but I really dislike her sense of entitlement - the look of "don't you know WHO I am" when she's called for foul.

LSU or Rutgers are my choices for a non Big 12 team to win the NC!

I despise Tennessee and the entire program's sense of entitlement. If someone from the Big 12 can't go all the way, I would like to see it be either LSU or Rutgers, too. I could live with Maryland. However, Duke can not win the whole thing.

[Gator]

And who better than LSU in Knoxville no less!

If you haven't listened to the Beth and Debbie pod cast this week - there is a pre Tennessee conversation with Van Chancellor which is great! http://www.wbca.org/

I respect Candace Parker's game - but I really dislike her sense of entitlement - the look of "don't you know WHO I am" when she's called for foul.

I know the look you mean and it drives me crazy: who ME???? But I'm not sure it is a "sense of entitlement". Watch Jackie McFarland. I don't know if she does it all of the time but she had that EXACT same expression on her face frequently when she was in Norman. The first time I saw it - I said something about not realizing Candice had transferred to Colorado :)

[MsProudSooner]

Candace needs to see a doctor about those delusions she has. They showed a replay of the one time she acted out the worst last night and she obviously fouled the girl.

[CyRox98]

Watch Jackie McFarland. I don't know if she does it all of the time but she had that EXACT same expression on her face frequently when she was in Norman. The first time I saw it - I said something about not realizing Candice had transferred to Colorado :)

We had noticed the same thing here that whole game. I used to call it "being a Hawkeye," but they aren't quite so bad as they used to be now that Jenny Lillis is gone.

[tx4OU]

Gator, I hate to say it, but I've also noticed Court's reactions are a little more pronounced than in years past. I've noticed on more than a few occassions when she gets called for a foul, she'll extend both arms with fingers extended as well and has that one eye brow cocked. However, it doesn't last but for a few seconds unlike being a long drawn out performance as if it were on Shakespear's very own Globe Theatre stage.

When I've seen her do it, it only last a few seconds and then she's dropped it and has huddled up with her teammates inside the paint. She pretty much drops it and moves on letting it go.

[swok34]

Momma Paris was at the game last weekend......

we decided that she was there to keep an eye on CP, after getting that technical in the Missouri game....

I've heard MP say that if she ever saw unsportsmanlike behavior from either of them, she'd drag them off the court by their hair.

[Gator]

Gator, I hate to say it, but I've also noticed Court's reactions are a little more pronounced than in years past. I've noticed on more than a few occassions when she gets called for a foul, she'll extend both arms with fingers extended as well and has that one eye brow cocked. However, it doesn't last but for a few seconds unlike being a long drawn out performance as if it were on Shakespear's very own Globe Theatre stage.I've noticed that too - and her reaction which got her the technical? I read someplace that she had said something like: "aren't you going to call that?"

Of course, since she is OURS, it is perfectly understandable :p after all she gets hacked ALL of the time and ...... ;)

[Bball Girl]

I do think it's a sense of entitlement....

This "you're calling a foul on ME" face/attitude seems to come from being told constantly that you are the "BEST PLAYER IN THE COUNTRY". Catchings did it when she played for Pat (I didn't care for Tamika until she became a WNBA player), Holdsclaw did it.

Thinking about it further....so did Diana Taurasi, Ruth Riley - maybe it's not the program or the coach - it's our (or their coach's) tendency to heap praise on them so much - they think they are above the rules or the game.

Summitt thought her star player got beat up and didn't receive enough calls.

"I'm going to take my time and watch every possession," Summitt said. "This happens to her all the time. That comes with being the best player in the game. At some point in time, it doesn't quite seem appropriate.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=ncw&id=3166656

[ChipperF1]

"I do think it's a sense of entitlement....

If that "sense of entitlement" was wearing a Texas Tech uniform, you'd be on board with it.

Sheryl Swoopes did the same stuff. So did Alicia Thompson. So did Erin Grant. So does every frontline player on every team from time to time.

[Bball Girl]

So, Chipper how many games did you see Grant play? What are you basing your statement on? Your opinion of a few games or ?

[ChipperF1]

Everytime Erin Grant played Texas...she was lobbying a ref for a call. I once saw her throw a fit against us because of a tough call.

My point isn't that I think its bad...My point is, once in a awhile, every player has had an issue with a call. I've seen enough of Candace Parker to know that she doesn't do it nearly as much as some here characterize, nor does Tennessee. Excuse me for not getting on the "Bash Candace Caravan". I think she is the best player out there.
I'm not on the bash Tennessee/bash Connecticut Caravan either. Why bash them? Why boo them like Jeff Gordon after he wins Talladega, because they are successful? Because Colorado blew a 10-point lead to them in a Regional final when Tennessee's best gun got hurt? Because of a late call when Tennessee beat Baylor, because Baylor's coach calls a late game play ran by a weak ballhandler with no safety valve?

I'll say it again, If Candace Parker was playing for Texas Tech, you'd have no problem about her "sense of entitlement".

The Rutgers-Tennessee call was a bad call, no question..But you know doo-doo happens. That's athletics.

Rutgers will have another crack at them in March.

[36Cord810]

Just watched the Texas Tech-OU men's game and the announcers actually said that the NCAA and conferences had probably talked at length to officials about not screwing up like the refs did in the Tenn-Rutgers' women's game. That pretty much states just how the real world views what happened to Rutgers.

[Bball Girl]

Everytime Erin Grant played Texas...she was lobbying a ref for a call. I once saw her throw a fit against us because of a tough call.

I'll say it again, If Candace Parker was playing for Texas Tech, you'd have no problem about her "sense of entitlement".

.But you know doo-doo happens. That's athletics.


Every time she played Texas? Really - why Texas? You can prove that?

Chipper - I've seen Grant lose her cool many times and I've seen Marsha eat her out for it. I don't remember Coach Sharp ever saying that Grant deserved 'more calls' - but my memory of attending every home game that Grant played for 3 years is obviously not as good as yours. But I can tell you that I didn't like it when she did "act out". I don't recall ever defending her acting out.

Parker is a fabulous player but she reads her own press way too much. She'll get a little education in the WNBA and she'll be fine. Lauren Jackson will knock her on her butt and when she doesn't get the "call" she'll figure out she's a great player among a lot of other great players" and she'll grow up.

You're right doo-doo happens - don't forget that the next time one of your players doesn't live up to your expectations.

[ChipperF1]

"You're right doo-doo happens - don't forget that the next time one of your players doesn't live up to your expectations.

The players don't give a rip about my expectations...nor should they. :)

As far as Erin Grant vs. Texas? Seems they had a way to get to her more often than not. And those game were often televised...of course you haven't missed a home game in a spell, but that never my contention. I just said they do it from the time to time.

Candace Parker will learn some lesson in the WNBA, but she'll give a few as well. She's played with and against quite a few players of the league and she held her own. I recall during the last world championships, Parker put a move on Lauren Jackson that Jackson is still studying to figure out how it all went wrong.

And notice, Pat has reamed her out and even benched her for an outburst, so I don't think Marsha Sharp is the paragon of higher virtue around.

Parkers going to learn just like every other rookie.

[jcarter]

just think she can get better than she is now
that's scary
i'm just glad I don't have to try and stop her :rotflol:

[TTU79]

Well, Coach Geno said ('m paraphrasing), Taurasi doesn't think she ever made a foul in her life. I think that sometimes this reacting to a foul works--I've seen refs. huddle and change the call and I've seen a decrease in the number of fouls being called on that person. My problem with Parker is her mouth. I think taunting is wrong and am glad they call a technical for it.

[ChipperF1]

I think taunting is wrong and am glad they call a technical for it.

If somebody talking can affect your game, you need to get off the court.

[TTU79]

Chipper, Reread my post. I don't think I said a word about taunting affecting anyone's game. I said I thought it was wrong, I do think it's wrong, arrogant, unsportsman like, and I'm still glad it calls for a technical. As far as I know I can express an opinion on this board just like anyone else. What have Texas Tech fans done that has you teed off at all of us? We're having a trying year this year and I don't think any of us has claimed any different. I think the team may be finding its way now and while I still don't expect any NCAA or WNIT bids, I will support the Lady Raiders all the way just like I do any Big 12 team against any team outside the conference.

[giraffespots]

For me, its not so much that big-eyed "What did I do?" look, or even the smack talking. What I can't stand is the denigrating actions, making a fantastic play or move then getting in the opponent's face with that "you suck" attitude. If a player does something fantastic, then runs the court with that "look what I did, YESSSSS" attitude, that's great. It shows they are pumped about what they did rather than laughing at or putting down another player because they beat them.

Smack talking and "swagger" is ok as long as you are not beating down someone else. That is poor sportsmanship to me. My example (and this is one a single example, you could apply this to any number of players) is the 2 CP3's.

A couple of years ago, Candace dunked or made this really great play over a player who was about 6 inches shorter than her. She got in that girl's face and shouted and pointed and pretty much let her know "who do you think you are?" When Courtney makes a similarly fantastic play (of course not a dunk :rolleyes:) but she turns around and runs down the court roaring. However, she does not look at her opponent or get in her face, or point at her. She was showing her fierceness and emotion over what SHE did rather than showing the other girl how bad she was on that particular play.

One thing about Riley, she has that negative attitude that I don't care for. She has that "Yeah, you fouled me because I am soo much better than you and everyone here, so take THAT" attitude. However, when she played Nebraska and Yvonne Turner was giving as good as Riley was, Riley showed respect for her. Every time Yvonne got the best of Riley, Riley smiled and you could see in her face, "ok, you got me, now watch this". I like that because it shows respect for someone else's game. I would be a big Riley fan if she did this all the time, but she doesn't, yet.

This is probably why I couldn't stand Diana Taurasi in college, but I love her in the WNBA. In college, she taunted those less talented than her, in the WNBA, she has that respect of other players, yet holds onto her swagger and arrogance because that in and of itself is not bad. Its all a matter of how you express it and where you direct it. When Candace gets to the WNBA, perhaps I will learn to like her, but for now, I do not.

[ChipperF1]

As far as I know I can express an opinion on this board just like anyone else. What have Texas Tech fans done that has you teed off at all of us?

Why would I be upset at Texas Tech fans? I guess you'll have to answer that for me because I don't understand where such a contention comes from. I don't get upset at anybody's fans. I merely have a difference of opinion with you.

I'm not disputing your right to express an opinion. I'm not a fan of trash-talking myself, but at the same time I don't get all upset about it either. Players getting in each others face? Its not a big deal to me because on the field there's a nice self-policing mechanicism. Its called, make a play.

As for Riley? I don't like her style, but Yvonne Turner handled it the right way...Compete and make plays. Of course Riley ultimately still has to right to talk...because she won the game.